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Have been considering a new lighter weight (pull) trigger for the 15-22. Pretty much very light but ignites the rimfire.

Looked at several and am now focused on the JARD Bottom Adjustable 1.5 or 2.0 lb Weighted Single Stage unit. I would need to contact JARD and see if their weighted models would be reliable against rimfires.

I have a 3 lb. Timney in an AR and it's beyond sweet. Minimal if any take-up and very short reset. Contacted them and they recommended one of their 2-stage AR-10 models or the Calvin Elite in order to have a reliable rimfire buster.

Pretty pricey, I don't want a 2-stage and the Calvin would be fine if it wasn't marketed toward match shooters (that's what it looks like to me). Too gizmo-looking for me but not out of the race yet.

Not being an expert on these things, based on the Calvin Elite, hammer spring weight must be the major factor in successful strikes. The CE is advertised at 1.5 lbs (pull) while using a 5 lb hammer spring for reliable strikes. It's also near the price of the weapon but we all know how that goes.

The dilemma: Looks like I'm in the minority here. The factory firing unit is fine. Now that I have hundreds of rounds through it, the pull weight averages on one run of 10 pulls at 4.4 and the second run at 4.6. It feels good with the take-up / reset being acceptable. I could probably clean it up a bit and hit high 3s / low 4s.

But the little boy in me wants to experience that 1.5 - 2.0 pull.:D

Decisions, decisions, decisions.
 
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I have triggers that will adjust into the 1.5# range and function. I have them set at 3# because I take them afield and hunt with them.
IMHO, any lighter makes the rifle a range queen unsuitable for general use. Especially if my hands are cold.
 
*Here I go again, regulars on here know what I am going to type........:rolleyes:

I chose the Hiperfire 24C over its competitors due to the fact the the mechanism allows you to change the trigger pull weight from 2/3/4 lbs. While the unique design of the FCG means that the hammer force is not sacrificed and hits the rim very hard. I can categorically say I have not had one FTF since installing the trigger. I love it to bits, beautifully crisp single stage with no creep, just a flat wall and a very short reset.

There are many options to choose from, I remember having the same headache but was very happy with the decision I made.

Nothing will compete with my match tuned 1.1lb Anschutz trigger but the 24C feels fantastic.
 
I'm not a big fan of putting $300 into a $300 rifle but given the triggers are modular, you can always easily swap things out so...

My 15-22 is a PC and has a PC 2 stage trigger that was crisp but still a tad heavy. I swapped out JP enterprises enhanced reliability springs and am now in the mid 3# range. Good enough.
I like the two stage feel and the fact that the second stage feels lighter than it is. If I were going to install a new trigger in the gun, it would likely be a Rock River.
Personally, I don't feel these rifles are accurate enough to make best use a 1.5# match trigger.
 
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GhostMutt said:
*Here I go again, regulars on here know what I am going to type........:rolleyes:

I chose the Hiperfire 24C over its competitors due to the fact the the mechanism allows you to change the trigger pull weight from 2/3/4 lbs. While the unique design of the FCG means that the hammer force is not sacrificed and hits the rim very hard. I can categorically say I have not had one FTF since installing the trigger. I love it to bits, beautifully crisp single stage with no creep, just a flat wall and a very short reset.

There are many options to choose from, I remember having the same headache but was very happy with the decision I made.

Nothing will compete with my match tuned 1.1lb Anschutz trigger but the 24C feels fantastic.
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I've been looking at these too. Just forgot to mention it. Thanks for your personal eval.
 
Put a CMC 2+2 in mine and it's lovely.

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bamashooter said:
Primary Arms. Big discount on 24C again. (179.99) + shipping. Must add to cart to see discounted price. Excellent price.

http://www.primaryarms.com/HIPERTOUCH-24C
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Ordered around noon on 7 Nov. Chose the higher priced Priority Mail (USPS) for 6.xx as compared to First Class for 2.xx. Received today. Two days. My understanding is Primary Arms ships quickly.
 
Got the 24C installed and test fired today. Installation was straight - forward but had a little trouble with the toggle springs assembly. Fixin' to cuss. One of those deals I later determined where you do better when less focused / trying too hard.

In the vise I had a big issue dry firing. I would hold and "walk" the hammer forward when pressing the trigger. Sometimes it would fire and other times it wouldn't.

When it wouldn't it had what felt like a solid 1/8" of pre-travel. When it fired it had none. I finally noticed when it wouldn't fire it was due to it not resetting as I pulled the hammer back.

When it functioned properly, I would cock the hammer and it had the slightest reset sound approx 1/2 second or so after cocking. I used the KNS 15-22 pins and thought perhaps they were too tight. Loosened them and it made no difference.

Looking at it all, I thought the polymer walls thickness might be causing a rub of springs, pins, whatever. The assembly came drowned in oil which I had wiped down well. I thought it was preservative due to its stickiness. Called Hiperfire and they told me it was oil. Oiled up what I could with it being fully installed. I manually worked the hammer back and forth a zillion times.

The problem still happened but not nearly as often. Perhaps 1 out of 10 as compared to 1 out of 3 or 4. I said screw it and took it out back.

Fired 25 rounds slowly with no issues. Fired an additional 25 as quickly as I could. No problems.

Conclusion:
I feel the assembly as a whole when using the lightest pull weight toggle springs is very sensitive to external pressures such as holding the hammer, cocking it manually, etc. Goodness, those lightest pull weight springs sure make the hammer difficult to pull back. Not really difficult but a truck load of more pulling power is required to pull the hammer back. When the trigger is pulled, the hammer flies. I don't anticipate any light strikes.

The lightest pull weight is advertised at 2.5lbs. Before installation I tested the factory trigger which has been excellent. I used only my digital pull gauge and did 6 pulls. Average was 4lbs 6oz. Excellent compared to several I've read about.

Did same with 24C. It was jumping all over the place. From just a spit under 2lbs. to 3lbs.

During my live fire, I stopped at 15 rounds, put the rifle in my lead sled and averaged 1lb 6oz on 5 rounds. Brought out my old style gauge and it showed 1 1/2lbs to just a hair more than that. Definitely light but didn't feel dangerously so. I noticed zero take up and you would have to know the trigger resets because I couldn't detect it. Perhaps if you were live firing for the sole purpose of determining reset you might feel / hear it.

Did not install the optional shoe.

Assembly appears to be very well made. Customer support was quick to answer the phone and answer my question. Not knowing how easy it might be to contract or distort the polymer receiver with the anti-roll pins, I might consider the Colt 901 "normal" pins which are longer so that they don't sit recessed as the factory pins do. Can't believe S&W used the regular length pins on these polymer receivers.

Based on my short term experience I'd recommend the 24C.
 
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GhostMutt said:
*Here I go again, regulars on here know what I am going to type........:rolleyes:



I chose the Hiperfire 24C over its competitors due to the fact the the mechanism allows you to change the trigger pull weight from 2/3/4 lbs. While the unique design of the FCG means that the hammer force is not sacrificed and hits the rim very hard. I can categorically say I have not had one FTF since installing the trigger. I love it to bits, beautifully crisp single stage with no creep, just a flat wall and a very short reset.



There are many options to choose from, I remember having the same headache but was very happy with the decision I made.



Nothing will compete with my match tuned 1.1lb Anschutz trigger but the 24C feels fantastic.
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Ordered one from Primary Arms. Thanks GhostMutt.


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Possibly check that you have pins that are for 15-22 and not standard AR pins. There is that little difference in length and we all know it’s the length that matters most 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😀
 
Am I the only one here that actually likes their factory 15-22 trigger? It's very crisp and short with virtually zero take-up. The reset is nice too.
 
From reading multiple places, it appeared my factory was better than most. Under 5lbs, smooth, etc. Wanted a flat trigger with lower pull weight. I like the interesting design and thus far (50 rounds / lol), it's great.

Rob1, the KNS are the 15-22 specific pins. Thanks.
 
i run a geissele G2S in mine. Love it, have had no issues with it. We mostly run geissele triggers in the shop i work at, and we have had more officers ask for geissele and ALG ACT triggers than anything else.
 
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