New York says "OOPS"

[Squarebutt]

When the amendment comes up for a vote, the good guys in the legislature should block it or hop a bus to parts unknown like the Democrats in Wisconsin did, thereby preventing a quorum. Then they can start a discussion about some other amendments.

 

[GBertolet]

It seems to me that this is a golden opportunity, for the RINO republicans to partially redeem themselves, for their support of this bill. They can hold up passing an exemption for LEO's, in exchange for going for 10 round magazine capacity limit instead of 7, or some other reasonable concessions.

 

[Shinny]

I just hope the voters in NY that own guns go to the polls on election day and say "oops...not again" and vote the grabbers out of office and into the unemployment line. Then have someone with guts, repeal the draconian laws.

 

[mkk41]

Given the multitude of sins covered by the Blue Wall of Silence , I highly doubt that ANY cops , especially NYC cops , are going to arrest any OTHER cops , for carrying more than 7 rounds.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Probably done on purpose. I mean why would a cop need more than 7 rounds in his duty gun since what with the new law he won't encounter any bad guy with more than 7 rounds in HIS gun???
Think people-think.

 

[v-13]

As a friend of mine who is a retired LEO like me once said,: "the only way you will change a democrat to a republican is when they become a victim of an armed robbery." So true......

 

[kbm6893]

BWA HA HA HA! Well, you gotta admit. At least the bill was "fair" in that it applied equally to EVERYBODY.

Now maybe if the NYPD started issuing revolvers again, we wouldn't have incidents like the Empire State Building debacle, at least in theory anyway.

Until you are ever In a gunfight, don't judge those who have. How many will YOU fire when you think you're about to die? And how will YOUR marksmanship be? Your paper target at your range isn't trying to kill you. Or does your weekend at Blackwater and subscription to SWAT magazine make you a Navy SEAL? And the people hit by the cops at the Empire State Building were shot by FRAGMENTS, and none seriously injured. Bullets tend to fragment when they hit concrete, and there sure IS a whole lot of concrete on a Manhattan street.

 

[kbm6893]

Given the multitude of sins covered by the Blue Wall of Silence , I highly doubt that ANY cops , especially NYC cops , are going to arrest any OTHER cops , for carrying more than 7 rounds.

Yeah, and Navy guys NEVER covered for each other! Guys were just RUNNING to the authorities after Tailhook! And EVERYBODY ran to the authorities after My Lai, too!

 

[kbm6893]

The way Nypd shoots as seen a few months ago during the take down of person who shot his boss at state building us civilians may be safer with police having just 7 rounds

yeah, and I'm sure you would have been SO much better than those cops were! ever been in a gunfight? if not, stick to Call of Duty and paper targets. I'm sure you are super skilled at both.

 

[mkk41]

Yeah, and Navy guys NEVER covered for each other! Guys were just RUNNING to the authorities after Tailhook!

Yeah , Officers , what do ya expect?

Hate to make it seem like we're picking on cops. Only the bad ones.

Gotta admit , there's a few , as in all professions.

How many cops that you know are anti-gun?

Obviously you're one of the good ones or ya wouldn't be here!

 

[kbm6893]

Yeah , Officers , what do ya expect?

Hate to make it seem like we're picking on cops. Only the bad ones.

Gotta admit , there's a few , as in all professions.

How many cops that you know are anti-gun?

Obviously you're one of the good ones or ya wouldn't be here!

No problem picking on "bad cops", but guys who fire off a magazine when they are about to be shot aren't "bad cops". They're guys who want to go home to their familes and have ONE SECOND to do what needs to be done, and they don't even know how many shots are even hitting the bad guy (if any). And you're gonna tell me that enlisted Navy guys never covered for each other? My cousin did 20 years in the Navy and he tells me stories of ALL sorts of goings on!

Cops don't support this nonense. They would prefer that the DA's and the parole boards actually PUT bad guys away, rather than plea down everything they get. They know this new law won't make their job safer.

 

[refugee from california]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

So you are saying that your right to defend your self is more important than mine. I call BS, you made a conscious decision to accept employment as a LEO, I did not make the same, but I would be just as dead as you if I did not have the ability to use everything available to defend myself if attacked. You get what we get deal with it and level the playing field for all law abiding citizens, we don't need another class that gets their own rules.

 

[mkk41]

So let me get this straight.

The politicos in NY actually think that crooks using a gun in commission of a crime , and in the process are actually committing a FELONY , are only gonna load 7 rounds , because they don't want to in trouble by commiting a misdemeanor?

 

[Buffalohunter60]

I do not begrudge the President his protection, nor do I think his family deserves less protection than he gets. My own family deserves the same protection. I think the police need to be as least as well armed as the criminals they have to deal with....and the public has to deal with the same criminals....usually before the police arrive. We also need to be as well armed as the criminal that will be laughing at a 7 round magazine limit, that he will ignore. If I were a cop, I would flat refuse to limit myself to 7 rounds....my life is worth all I can do to defend it and defend the public. NY could live with it or hire someone else to risk their neck to defend the people. If I was a NY Cop, I would also not arrest any law abiding citizen that ignores a 7 round mag for the same reason. We all need to seriously look at replacing the idoits that are making laws that they do not think affects them but does affect Police that are exposed to criminals on a daily basis. Stick to your guns and keep your high capacity mags.....its better to break the law and live to see your family again than to be law abiding and dead. This is sheer stupidity and a result of people passing laws that do not think they are affected by the same laws. I guess you do not have to be stupid to be a politicion....but it must sure help. We are all on the same side here.....I realize that cops do risk their live for us and most of them are trying to make a living and return home at night to their family after dealing with the lower part of the gene pool.
We also need to look at removing law makers that are infringing on our second amendment and ignoring the oath they took toi defend the constitution. I have no respect for them...or the stupid laws they are trying to pass, as they ignore the constitution, I will ignore their limit on rounds I can have to defend myself.

 

[Shinny]

I've spent the last 20 years in one of the most violent cities in America. I've lost friends and colleagues shot on the job, killed in car wrecks on the job, stabbed etc. It's a choice of employment we all made. I simply ask now:

Is this a police bashing thread or one that allows us to shake our head at the silliness we call lawmakers at work? This is what they want, divide and conquer... Can we not turn on ourselves? It's time to Unite, not divide.

Just my $0.02

 

[A1U]

You got it right precisely! Sorry but if the civilians have to live with it so does the government. Cuomo runs around screaming "no body needs 10 rounds to shoot a deer. " Exactly, we Need ten to shoot bad guys unless there are 11 bad guys. I spent twenty years with a six shot revolver, had five gun fights and survived. Sorry so can you... But today, since semi automatics are so reliable, I' ll take the biggest gun I can, with the most rounds. What makes cops lives more valuable than my kids or the life of my wife.

Besides if the threat hardly ever comes you made an argument for less cops.

I spent 20 some years with only 18 rounds on my person, a revolver and two drop boxes or speed loaders too, the last ten its been a hi cap semi-auto, but what you or I did 20 years ago is completely irrelevant with regard to the present situation, it is just an example of experiential superiority.

Just to be clear, I disagree with any restriction on ammo capacity for ANYONE. In the interim, "citizens" can pick up a phone, press three digits and have the police handle their problems for then, no matter what the threat, so statistically speaking they are at an exponentially greater risk.

Your statement that I made an argument for fewer cops is a reach at best, and I will respectfully agree to disagree ; however, if this out of control government would focus on the problem, bad people, we would need fewer cops, more jail guards maybe, but fewer cops.

Some people are bad, some people use guns to do bad things, but then they use knives, fists, baseball bats, ropes, duct tape, cars, hammers....the list is endless.....are we going o restrict those too, or are we going to wake up from his 60s, everyone is good love fest and deal with our trouble makers?

Anyway, no, the cops are not more "valuable" than your wife and kids, but when your family starts responding to 911 calls your point of view will have a bit more credibility.

 

[refugee from california]

I've spent the last 20 years in one of the most violent cities in America. I've lost friends and colleagues shot on the job, killed in car wrecks on the job, stabbed etc. It's a choice of employment we all made. I simply ask now:

Is this a police bashing thread or one that allows us to shake our head at the silliness we call lawmakers at work? This is what they want, divide and conquer... Can we not turn on ourselves? It's time to Unite, not divide.

Just my $0.02

It was not my intent to bash LEO's. I have always had the greatest respect for them, but I don't think they have anymore right to defend themselves than I, a law abiding American do. The post I responded to seem to put forth that idea. You as a LEO make a decision to put yourselves in harms way to protect the public. Unfortunately you cannot be everywhere at once and cannot anticipate every action by those who would prey on the public. I cannot and will not accept the notion tat a LEO has more of right to defend themselves than I, and they should not have any advantage that I cannot have To do so would be immoral and could be unconstitutional as it would violate the equal protection clause.

 

[Buffalohunter60]

I've spent the last 20 years in one of the most violent cities in America. I've lost friends and colleagues shot on the job, killed in car wrecks on the job, stabbed etc. It's a choice of employment we all made. I simply ask now:

Is this a police bashing thread or one that allows us to shake our head at the silliness we call lawmakers at work? This is what they want, divide and conquer... Can we not turn on ourselves? It's time to Unite, not divide.

Just my $0.02

Skinny, your spot on. We need to stand together....Cops need to do what they need to do, if a politicion passes an unconstitutional law that infringes on our right to defend ourselves and our second amendment, we all need to ignore it. Cops are the ones that will be enforcing .....don't enforce an unconstitutional law...on yourself or on the public. There are many ways of fighting back. Stick your 17 round mags in when you go to work, and ignore the normally law abiding citizen that is doing the same thing for the same reason. that is one way we can fight back...ignore their stupidity.

 

[Shinny]

I wasn't singling any one poster out. I'm simply trying to get us back on track, to being happy firearms owners.
As always,
Enjoy, be safe and may this silliness end soon

Buffalo: I say we don't ignore laws we don't like, that isn't right...we fight to keep useless laws from being made.

 

[Buffalohunter60]

Skinny, I am not saying to ignore laws we dont like...I adhere to a lot of laws I don't like...I am saying ignore laws that violate our constitutional rights and infringe on our second amendment, fact is...they should not be laws at all as they are trumped by the second amendment and our right to self defence. Somewhere we have to use common sence and we need to stand together.