No carry work?

[oneounceload]

So like I said unless you're paying me to carry a gun at work or you specifically give me a written authorization to carry a gun at work I'm not carrying a gun at work but my car is my car and unless you're paying me to use it for company business what's in it is none of your business

Here in Florida, an employer has to let you leave your gun in your car in the employee parking lot - there are a few exceptions, such as power plants (they fall under HS)

As others have stated, either find a new job, or find a new job in another state or become your own boss in your own business.

 

[Mister X]

It depends upon the credibility and the immediacy of the threat.

Would you rather be killed than arrested?

I've seen many people get out of jail, many of whom deserved to be there for the rest of their lives.

I've only seen Christopher Lee get out of his grave, and that was make believe.

When there's a quantifiable threat and those whose duty it is to mitigate that threat are only facilitating that threat, I'm not going to die for somebody else's degenerate "values".

If you are fairly certain there is going to be armed violence or a good chance of it at a particular place, don't go there. If the OP's school is that dangerous for some reason, I would recommend looking for another job.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Or become a kung fu expert.
Looked for: cannot be seen.
Listened for: cannot be heard.
Touched: cannot be felt.
Young grasshopper Kane never needed a gun, job, food, water or house to dwell in.
And he always walked into bad places.

 

[cmort666]

If you are fairly certain there is going to be armed violence or a good chance of it at a particular place, don't go there. If the OP's school is that dangerous for some reason, I would recommend looking for another job.

In my case:

1. There was a known, NAMED threat.
2. There was a pattern of threats.
3. Management was FACILITATING the danger.
4. There was ZERO expectation of being "protected" by authorities.
5. I like eating food and living indoors. You can't do that without a paycheck.

As far as "get another job" goes, fast forward to 2009 and the recession. Between the day I was laid off and a week after my unemployment benefits ran out, and I got the worst job I've EVER had, I received exactly ONE employment offer, a scam commission sales job selling financial instruments. Jobs are sometimes in short supply. Since 2009, they've been in VERY short supply.

Telling people, "You can get shot or you can be homeless" doesn't buy you much credibility.

It's one thing to tell somebody not to go to a bar known for criminal activity and violence. It's quite another to tell somebody to QUIT a job, disqualify oneself for unemployment, and be homeless.

The first law is survival. The ORC comes a distant second.

 

[jdh]

Correct. No metal detectors.

The installation of which has been discussed in the district.

 

[Mister X]

In my case:

1. There was a known, NAMED threat.
2. There was a pattern of threats.
3. Management was FACILITATING the danger.
4. There was ZERO expectation of being "protected" by authorities.

1. 
   
   My comments were directed to OP and his particular situation. From my understanding, he works in a school(maybe a teacher?) and did not make any mention that he was under increased risk. If he is teacher working in high risk environment for some odd reason, it shouldn't too hard to find a better job.
   
   In your case, those are some very vague statements so I have absolutely no clue. Was somebody threatening to beat you up at work or something? Maybe go into greater detail about what was going on.

 

[oneounceload]

In my case:

1. There was a known, NAMED threat.
2. There was a pattern of threats.
3. Management was FACILITATING the danger.
4. There was ZERO expectation of being "protected" by authorities.
5. I like eating food and living indoors. You can't do that without a paycheck.

As far as "get another job" goes, fast forward to 2009 and the recession. Between the day I was laid off and a week after my unemployment benefits ran out, and I got the worst job I've EVER had, I received exactly ONE employment offer, a scam commission sales job selling financial instruments. Jobs are sometimes in short supply. Since 2009, they've been in VERY short supply.

Telling people, "You can get shot or you can be homeless" doesn't buy you much credibility.

It's one thing to tell somebody not to go to a bar known for criminal activity and violence. It's quite another to tell somebody to QUIT a job, disqualify oneself for unemployment, and be homeless.

The first law is survival. The ORC comes a distant second.

Sounds like you need to find a job in another place/state and get out of there then. Advocating breaking the law usually isn't tolerated ..

 

[cmort666]

Sounds like you need to find a job in another place/state and get out of there then. Advocating breaking the law usually isn't tolerated ..

And I would have ridden to this imaginary job on a unicorn?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

[cmort666]

My comments were directed to OP and his particular situation. From my understanding, he works in a school(maybe a teacher?) and did not make any mention that he was under increased risk. If he is teacher working in high risk environment for some odd reason, it shouldn't too hard to find a better job.

In your case, those are some very vague statements so I have absolutely no clue. Was somebody threatening to beat you up at work or something? Maybe go into greater detail about what was going on.

Somebody (probably an Iraqi agent) was threatening to KILL... EVERYONE.

And management was doing everything possible to facilitate that.

I have no duty to die or be homeless.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

[American1776]

There are many ways to look at this issue. Some people frequently and loudly proclaim they won't go anyplace they are not allowed to carry. I honestly find such rigid thinking rather ridiculous and negatively impacting your quality of life unnecessarily.

I wouldn't want to be a law enforcement officer without having a firearm, but working in a school is an entirely different matter. There is an old saying that shouldn't go anywhere or do anything armed that you wouldn't unarmed and it's pretty sound advice. If there is a school in the United States where shootings are actually a relatively frequent occurence, I would highly recommend not working there, but that isn't the case AFAIK anywhere and the odds of being involved in a school shooting are absolutely astronomically low.

Sure, you never know and why some insist on being armed 24/7 including while in the shower, but I think their insistence to constantly be armed probably has more to do with things like politics, hobby and their psyche than it does any realistic practical need for self-protection. If these same people are so vigilante and supposedly concerned with their personal safety, then why do they drive a car. The odds of being involved in a civilian defense shooting are miniscule compared with your chances of being in a fatal car accident, but yet they all still choose to drive.

Do as you wish, but sometimes you just have to live your life and not let irrational fears and thinking rule it.

Do you carry religiously? You may not be as safe as you believe. - [url]www.GrantCunningham.com www.GrantCunningham.com[/url]

That Grant Cunningham article deserves it's own thread. It really changed how I think about how I carry and how I view personal security. EXCELLENT

 

[oneounceload]

And I would have ridden to this imaginary job on a unicorn?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

You saying you have no job skills or car to be able to go somewhere else?

I have no duty to die or be homeless.

You also have no right to break the law or the rights of your chosen employer. You CHOOSE to stay there and work there.

 

[cmort666]

You saying you have no job skills or car to be able to go somewhere else?



You also have no right to break the law or the rights of your chosen employer. You CHOOSE to stay there and work there.

Job skills and a car do you no good when there's no job to which to go... especially when you've disqualified yourself for unemployment.

I try to obey the law... except when it would put me on the street... or get me killed.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

[Muss Muggins]

I don't know how to post those GIF's where somebody is eating popcorn. But I would . . .

 

[ContinentalOp]

I don't know how to post those GIF's where somebody is eating popcorn. But I would . . .

Here you go...

 

[smoothshooter]

What's so unusual about that?

I'll bet 90% of employers probibit CC inside the workplace, and many won't even allow firearms on the property.

The places that allow CC at the place of work are pretty rare.

Some, however, don't really have a policy on it one way or the other until some problem comes up. ( Don't ask/don't tell )

It is almost inevitable that as a company grows, they make more workplace rules, and banning firearms is usually right at the top of the list.

 

[Old TexMex]

The good news is : I'm expected to carry.
The bad news is: there's a reason for that.

 

[stevewonderful]

Our lives come from God. So does our right to defend them.
There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion..

 

[Srruger762]

I have a boss that lets me carry at work, the ones that don't carry at our work place are glad some of us do. We have even talk about if something would happen what to do and where to go if possible. I listen to our local dispatch at work all the time
( broadcastify.com ) you'd be really surprised on what goes on in our area, allot people just don't even have a clue of everything that happening.

 

[oneounceload]

Job skills and a car do you no good when there's no job to which to go... especially when you've disqualified yourself for unemployment.

I try to obey the law... except when it would put me on the street... or get me killed.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

REALLY? So, it's OK to break the law and the contract of employment with your employer when YOU feel it's OK? Sorry, if those rules were in place and I was your boss, you would be fired with extreme prejudice, not for rehire...........

Don't come on here looking for justification of your illegal activity. Try going out of your comfort zone and maybe you have to drive to another town........ back in the 80s when jobs actually WERE hard to find, I ran into a lot fo folks who thought driving 20 miles for a job was too hard and they might as well stay on unemployment

I have ZERO sympathy for that mindset. I moved from NYC to ATL to 4 places in TX, then CO, then ND, then NV - all inside 6 years

because that's where the jobs were............get a clue

 

[cmort666]

REALLY? So, it's OK to break the law and the contract of employment with your employer when YOU feel it's OK?

It absolutely is when my life, and maybe those of others are at risk.

Clearly the ORC and an employment contract trump human life in your view.

It's pretty easy for somebody with no interest at risk to pose the choice of homelessness or potential violent death to somebody about whom they couldn't care less whether they lived or died.

When you offer to be my personal bodyguard or to pay my bills, THEN you get a vote.

 

[nanney1]

Follow up from OP. I do work in an educational environment, but do not feel threatened. I can leave a firearm in my vehicle, but can't carry in the workplace. It is not a dangerous environment and over several years, I've only had two-three potential situations that could have gone badly. But, still, there are a lot of people in one place who aren't allowed to carry.

And, oh by the way, our security officers do not carry. They lock/unlock doors mainly and keep and eye on the parking lot.

 

[BC38]

FWIW, I work in a gun-free zone enforced by a metal detector at the entry.
I don't like it but I agreed to it when I took the job.

 

[jdh]

FWIW, I work in a gun-free zone enforced by a metal detector at the entry.
I don't like it but I agreed to it when I took the job.

A prison was mine for twenty + years. Armed with noting but my wits locked in with 1200 felons. Now it a similar institution, a high school.

 

[oneounceload]

Before 9/11, my company's power plants had trap/skeet fields and folks brought their guns for after their shift. One plant had cooling ponds that drew a lot of deer and folks brought their rifles. Not anymore. DHS makes that a felony.

 

[nachogrande]

WON'T DO ANYONE ANY GOOD IN A CAR ALL DAY ALONE.

Not only won't it be of any good, you run the risk of it falling into the wrong hands. JMO & as you can tell I'm not a fan of guns being unsecured & alone just about anywhere. At least figure out some way to secure it. Now it basically just works to protect you driving to and from work?

 

[jtcarm]

Our lives come from God. So does our right to defend them.
There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion..

I can almost see your chest puffing out as you write
those words.

The 2nd Amendment only pertains to what government can't do.

Private property rights trump your perceived right to carry wherever you want. A business owner has just as much right to say what is and isn't allowed on his/her property as do you to say who and what is allowed in your home.

Is that bureaucratic nonsense? No, that's your right to decide what happens on your property.

No matter if you're licensed, if I don't know and trust you, you're not carrying in my house. If a contractor I've hired comes in my home packing, he'll probably be fired. Trusting someone to paint my house doesn't mean I trust them to carry a gun while they're doing it. And, unless you work for a very small company, the owner probably doesn't know you much better than I know the guy painting my house (unless he's my brother-in-law, who I am definitely not letting in the house with a gun!)

As to the Grant Cunningham article: through very careful and attentive driving, it's very unlikely I'll need my seat belt. After all, I rode in cars without one for almost 30 years without suffering serious injury. But I use it anyway, not just because the law requires me to.

 

[jtcarm]

I don't know how to post those GIF's where somebody is eating popcorn. But I would . . .

I'm more of a peanuts guy, but a beer and a snack would be great for this thread.

 

[DevilDog72]

I work at a major airport and weapons are not allowed....of any kind. I disarm before leaving my truck and re-arm as soon as I am back inside it. When not at work I am armed.

 

[cmort666]

Now it basically just works to protect you driving to and from work?

Isn't that when carjackings generally occur... when you're in your car?

If he doesn't protect himself when he's in his car, who WILL?

Of course doesn't it also work to protect him when he stops for gas, goes to the grocery store, buys books, sits in the park watching ducks, etc., etc., etc.? Or do you ONLY drive to work and back?

 

[WR Moore]

I'd suggest reading the company rule book very, very carefully. I once worked at a place located in a less than wonderful area (what I later recognized as gang signs all over the place). The company forbade "illegal weapons"-not that that had much affect on what some of the employees did. On the other hand, CCW=legal.

I expect HR pros and lawyers write stuff much more closely now, but it doesn't hurt to check and the printed word always trumps someones opinion of what it says. Over decades, I found the printed stuff most useful for a multitude of situations.