no rollmark smith and wesson victory

[Milesperhourffl07]

I thought I posted this already one minute it was there then I could not find it. I have a nice victory with a 5 inch barrel. it is a 38 sw . serial # v 5825** Has correct case hardened hammer and trigger. marked with US PROPERTY flaming bomb and "P" marked
The numbers on cylinder and crane do not match the V number. Strange thing is there is no roll mark on frame. Barrel is marked Smith and Wesson.

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

 

[kwill1911]

You posted it here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/603398-victory-data-base.html#post140610883

Need pictures to help you.

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

ok so I thought I posted a pic. there is one on the thread. I see it on my screen! how do I post a picture?

 

[kwill1911]

Video Tutorials on Posting Pictures

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

it keeps asking for a url of the image

 

[kwill1911]

Did you watch the tutorials? They explain two different ways to do it.

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

OK! Found it thank you.

 

[tenntex32]

Mphffl07,

If you carefully remove the sideplate and look on the backside of it there should be an assembly number stamped on it. It should match the assembly number found on the frame where it and the yoke mate when the cylinder is closed.

Here are some pics of one of my Victory examples showing what I am talking about. The frame, yoke, and sideplate would normally have had matching assembly numbers when it left the factory.

I just wonder if your non-rollmarked sideplate is original?

Dale

 

[murphydog]

The missing side plate logo may be due to omission at the time of production, or a refinish. It is well fitted to the frame and the assembly number (as Dale mentioned above) would let you know if it came with the gun from the factory.

 

[tenntex32]

Also, with this being marked as .38 S&W on the barrel but having a non-matching s/n cylinder it may have had a .38Special cylinder fitted.

Have you checked to see if .38Special rounds will fit in the chambers?

Many .38S&W caliber British service revolvers, of which were typically 5" long barrels, were rechambered to the more common .38Special just before or after coming back to the U.S.. Usually they just reamed out the chambers to accept .38Special ammo...……...but nothing says they couldn't fit a .38Special cylinder if having access to one.

Also, the yoke is marked with two different numbers. You will find an assembly number on the yoke where it mates to the frame when the cylinder is closed...….as shown in my pics in post #9. (The assembly number on the yoke should match the assembly number on the frame if original.)

The yoke also has a s/n stamped on it's rear facing flat and can be viewed by looking though an empty chamber. You may have to clean that area on the yoke first to see it as it usually get's neglected cleaning wise. It's s/n (too) should match the s/n on the butt if original to the gun.

There would normally be six matching serial numbers on a Victory revolver if in original condition:
Butt, barrel, cylinder, yoke, extractor star backside, and R/H grip backside.

Dale

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

ok
the crane number is 30132
no number on on rear face of crane
cylinder is v 335344 38 sw not 38 special
side plate 77678
butt v 5825**
frame mating surface m4 over 37884
no numbers on grips
no numbers on barrel

grip frame under grips right side at butt R S 7 H
left M4 6 v

 

[tenntex32]

ok
the crane number is 30132
no number on on rear face of crane
cylinder is v 335344 38 sw not 38 special
side plate 77678
butt v 5825**
frame mating surface m4 over 37884
no numbers on grips
no numbers on barrel

grip frame under grips right side at butt R S 7 H
left M4 6 v

It looks as though your sideplate and yoke(crane) are not original either since their assembly numbers do not match the frame's assembly number.

It is odd that the yoke is not serialized. I was thinking there may be an outside chance that it may have the same s/n as the cylinder.

So the barrel's s/n is no longer visible as well? That's really odd too. (Of course it simply could be a refinish that's removed or obscured the s/n...……….or possibly an as-new unserialized Victory barrel?)

So let's get this straight, unserialized barrel, non-original yoke, non-original cylinder, non-original sideplate, and unserialized grips. It definitely has the potential of being the mother-of-all bitster Victory revolvers! (If you look closely at the back side of the extractor star possibly the s/n stamped on it matches the cylinder's s/n?)

Of course we are going to need a range report as it may be surprisingly accurate.

Dale

 

[Absalom]

I don't think this gun is that odd if you simply assume, as I do, that this is a parts gun assembled from some cannibalized and some factory-new parts which were and still are readily available.

Given the nice condition of sideplate and barrel, I think it is more likely that they were never numbered, rather than having the number removed and then being refinished to spec.

 

[tenntex32]

I don't think this gun is that odd if you simply assume, as I do, that this is a parts gun assembled from some cannibalized and some factory-new parts which were and still are readily available.

Given the nice condition of sideplate and barrel, I think it is more likely that they were never numbered, rather than having the number removed and then being refinished to spec.

He said the sideplate was numbered, it just doesn't match the frame's assembly number.

Yes it could an as-new barrel. I was hoping for more pics to make a determination.

As to the unserialized yoke...………...it has an assembly number that does not match the frame's assembly number so it too must have come from a different assembled frame, thus why I found it odd that the yoke didn't have a s/n too assuming it came from a completely assembled and serialized gun.

And of course the R/H grip could also be an as-new replacement if no serial number is stamped on it's backside.

Dale

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

There has never been a number stamped into barrel. wonder if it was a lunch box part here part there gun

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

I will be happy to take all kinds of pictures. I do not have any of the option of adding pictures to the thread. I do not have a third party photo album who can I email pictures to? Pm me an email address to send them to. I KNOW how to do that!

 

[tenntex32]

There has never been a number stamped into barrel. wonder if it was a lunch box part here part there gun

Definitely a gunsmithing or armorer's project it seems. It hasn't been that long ago when spare unused surplus Victory parts were commonly available. Probably still are if you look for them hard enough.

Who knows, but you might find they did the job right and it will be a great grouping gun.

Dale

 

[Milesperhourffl07]

I am going to try and get some more info on the gun. The shop I got it from knew nothing however the man they got it from said he had it over 50 years.