old times gone buy

[model10]

how long till it take till barting an moon shine comes back an the mofia takes over rmenber no taxs on moon shine an outher things think out of the box , is the gov driveing us to it ?? people are getting tired of all the new laws an rules on heath care i see a lot of doc s going to vet school cats an dogs dont talk an bills are payed in cash or cc card , an if we got cought what then they have to give u health care an meals in jail wonder most schools have fances around the foot ball felds like red dawn ,,movie

 

[Zilmo]

Huh?

 

[Crazy K38]

it took a minute but I understood, but I agree how much will we take before we say to H*** with the rules, and play by our own, I don't know the answer to that though but I wish I did

 

[ChadW]

Huh?

+1. I understood moonshine.. which I think someome may have recently gotten into.

 

[wheelgun1958]

By-the-bye, there are some of my old times I would like to buy, and others I am glad are gone bye.

 

[toocool]

all I heard was "blah, blah, blah, moonshine...blah, blah..."

 

[shortranger]

For clarity's sake:

How long will it be before bartering and moonshine come back and are run by a mafia? There are no taxes on illegal liquor and bartered goods. Thinking outside of the box, is the government driving us to this? People are getting tired of all the new laws and rules governing health care. A lot of people who would qualify for medical school are going to veterinary school instead because cats and dogs are easier to deal with and veterinary bills are paid up front with credit cards or cash instead of having to go through a long and complicated reimbursement system.
Even if you get caught selling illegal liquor or bartering without paying taxes, when you go to jail the government still has to give you room, board, and health care. There would be so many people involved in illegal acts that they would have to be rounded up and put in the most readily available fenced in space, local high school foot ball fields, just like in the movie “Red Dawn.”

David

 

[GatorFarmer]

The Italians (home to the mafia) managed to drive a lot of their economy off the books via complicated tax laws at one point. I don't know if it has changed much in recent years or not.

There's always been off the books and barter commerce in the United States. Whether the level has gone up or not, I don't know.

Vet school is said by some to be harder than real medical school. Cats and dogs can't tell you what is wrong. Also, in economically bad times, Fido and Fuzzy end up in the stew pot and not at the vet, though people will still need care for horses. Horses are useful.

I drink 12 year old Scotch rather than 12 day old farmer John's special if I drink, so I can't comment on moonshine. Regulation actually works to one's favor when it comes to alcohol. Flavorful cocktails came about during Prohibition to hide the taste of the poison that was likely in the glass.

 

[Zilmo]

For clarity's sake:

How long will it be before bartering and moonshine come back and are run by a mafia? There are no taxes on illegal liquor and bartered goods. Thinking outside of the box, is the government driving us to this? People are getting tired of all the new laws and rules governing health care. A lot of people who would qualify for medical school are going to veterinary school instead because cats and dogs are easier to deal with and veterinary bills are paid up front with credit cards or cash instead of having to go through a long and complicated reimbursement system.
Even if you get caught selling illegal liquor or bartering without paying taxes, when you go to jail the government still has to give you room, board, and health care. There would be so many people involved in illegal acts that they would have to be rounded up and put in the most readily available fenced in space, local high school foot ball fields, just like in the movie “Red Dawn.”

David

Oh.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Back in my teenage years I shared an apartment with a friend who worked at beer distributorship. With his employee discount we bought cases of beer off the loading dock for about $3 each (1960's). When we had enough to fill the bed of a '55 Chevy pickup we made runs across state lines to dry counties, went to drive-in restaurants, and sold beer for $5 per 6-pack and $15 per case.

We generally made between $500 and $1000 per weekend trip. In those days, a new car could be purchased for around $2500, and a new house was under $10,000. Many working men were raising families on $60 or $80 per week salaries.

I'm sure that there will be those who will ignore any law when the profit motivation is strong enough. Additional taxes and regulations just about guarantee a strong black market.

Actually, I expect to see increases in truck hijackings, especially when the cargo is liquor or cigarettes (not to forget the hundred gallons or so of diesel fuel in the tanks).

 

[Capt Steve]

I don't think moonshine ever went away. According to the folks in some areas of the south it is as big a business as ever. As far as bartering goes it is thriving as well. Anytime the economy turns down "Lets make a deal" becomes common practice. Lots of folks trade all sorts of goods and services under the tax mans radar. I for one, can find no fault with that. (o;

 

[lagavulin62]

I sure get the point he is making and if you want to know about living in hard times all you got to do is pay attention to the underground economy in the hispanic culture. here in the houston area every curb is a used car lot on weekends. flea markets and illegal roadside food wagons rule. tamales, tortillas, these critters just pull off roadside and fire up the grill, selling to all comers. I've seen 10 ton trucks pull up, open the back and they are open for business. practically anything you want and if they don't have it ask and they will get it. ...........now thats just the business end of it, lets don't even start with the crime. never met a mexican who couldn't make a deal, legal or not.

 

[jag312]

I have only had some experience with moonshine on one occasion. It smelled like tequila filtered through old, dirty sweatsocks. I haven't the slightest idea what it tasted like. I just didn't have the courage to drink anything that smelled so foul.

However, I do agree with the original post. One day there will be enough people who will get tired of the restrictive laws and just say ignore them. That willl be the start of the second American Revolution. Americans want to live free. People who come to America do so to live free. When the government takes away our freedoms, then that will be the time to get a new government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

 

[truckemup97]

Actually, I expect to see increases in truck hijackings, especially when the cargo is liquor or cigarettes (not to forget the hundred gallons or so of diesel fuel in the tanks).

It's already happened, although they seem to be targeting consumer electronics, which can be sold quickly. Quite a lot of it seems to wind up going overseas, thanks to Florida based gangs that work the southeast. I can't provide a link, as the site is password protected, but here is one report:

Event: Increased Tennessee Activity from S. Florida Gangs
Date: 4/9/09 - 6/11/09
Location: Tennessee
Description: FreightWatch International has noted a number of cargo theft
incidents and arrests made in Tennessee, specifically in the Memphis and
Nashville areas which are directly associated with cargo theft gangs from the
Miami, Florida, area.
On Thursday, June 11, two subjects from the Miami area were arrested in
Lebanon, Tennessee, while attempting to steal a trailer from a truck stop.
The subjects attempted to flee from police, but were taken into custody after a
short chase. FreightWatch was informed that when officers checked the local
motel, where the subjects were staying they found a fully loaded trailer of TVs,
stolen from a Lebanon truck stop the previous day, in the parking lot with the
logos painted over.
On June 8, a full truckload of TVs was stolen from a truck stop in West
Memphis; the trailer was recovered the following week in Miami.
On May 3, a full truckload of cell phone was stolen outside of West Memphis;
the trailer was recovered the following week in Miami.
On April 15, a full truckload of televisions was stolen in West Memphis,
Arkansas; the trailer was recovered empty in Miami on April 17.
On April 9, a group of five individuals were arrested stealing a full truckload of
televisions in West Memphis. Each of them was identified as living in the Miami
area.
Additionally, between these dates seven additional FTL thefts occurred in this
region.
FWI Recommendation: Companies with operations in these areas should be
aware that cargo thieves are clearly targeting electronics and cell phone loads
and to-date, arrests have not deterred other gangs from continuing operations
in the area.
FSB 090617
© 2009 FreightWatch International (USA)

 

[TheGreatGonzo]

For clarity's sake:

How long will it be before bartering and moonshine come back and are run by a mafia? There are no taxes on illegal liquor and bartered goods. Thinking outside of the box, is the government driving us to this? People are getting tired of all the new laws and rules governing health care. A lot of people who would qualify for medical school are going to veterinary school instead because cats and dogs are easier to deal with and veterinary bills are paid up front with credit cards or cash instead of having to go through a long and complicated reimbursement system.
Even if you get caught selling illegal liquor or bartering without paying taxes, when you go to jail the government still has to give you room, board, and health care. There would be so many people involved in illegal acts that they would have to be rounded up and put in the most readily available fenced in space, local high school foot ball fields, just like in the movie “Red Dawn.”

David

Ahhhh....thank you. If you are free later this week, I have some ancient Gaelic scrolls that I need translated.... :c)

 

[TheGreatGonzo]

I don't think moonshine ever went away. According to the folks in some areas of the south it is as big a business as ever.

You are correct, sir, although not the business it once was. As a young "yute" growing up in the deep South, a bit of the white lightning might have greased my gullet at one time or another.
Gonzo