One or Two screw Pre 17 rear site?

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This is a pic of a pre 17 Outdoorsman I am soon to put on the Forum classifieds, I'm trying to be as exact as I can about the description. There is one small screw on the front of the rear site (of course) and these two. Does this make this revolver a one or two screw rear site?
Yes, I know that is a humpback hammer, it is one of the strongest points of this particular revolver, other than the set of original pre WWII Magnas.
Any help is apprecitated.
RD

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This is a pic of a pre 17 Outdoorsman I am soon to put on the Forum classifieds, I'm trying to be as exact as I can about the description. There is one small screw on the front of the rear site (of course) and these two. Does this make this revolver a one or two screw rear site?
Yes, I know that is a humpback hammer, it is one of the strongest points of this particular revolver, other than the set of original pre WWII Magnas.
Any help is apprecitated.
RD

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Hello Gary,
That is what I'm trying to figure out, I don't like selling anything without a good description and understanding of what it is (or buying for that matter). I bought this one sight unseen (one of the few times I've done that) and had no idea of the humpback hammer etc. so I'm trying to be as fair as possible when pricing if for resale.
I'll have a few nice pieces up for sale soon, maybe tomorrow, as well as some nice old stocks.
Any idea about the one or two screw description?
RD
 
I'd call it the 3-screw rear site.
The early ones had only 2.

It has been theorized that the 3rd screw was added to make the site compatable/usable on higher powered target models of the same era.
Others think it was added as a locking type thing.

I don't know?

But if it has 3 screws in it, I'd call it that?
 
This rear sight configuration is the second-to-last model in the
evolution of the adjustable rear sights.

The earliest, on the 1899's and 1902's, has a single rear screw that is
threaded into the frame, and pushes up from the bottom side of the sight
leaf. (By the way, its "sight", not "site". ) A very small hole towards the
rear of the leaf gave access to the slot in this screw. In this variant,
the leaf is sprung downward.

The next variant, which was not as good, has the sight leaf sprung upwards.
The single rear screw is still threaded into the frame, but it has a large
conical head that sits directly on top of the leaf. Turning this screw
clockwise pulls the sight leaf downward, against its upward spring. This was
not a good as the earlier variant, as it worked loose easier. Both of these
variants provided no locking.

The next variant, also non-locking, was the forerunner of what we have today.
This variant utilized a slot milled into the topstrap. The single rear
adjusting screw has a large flat head, that sits in the slot. The sight
leaf itself is threaded, and travels up and down the screw thread as the
screw is turned.

The next variant, the second-to-last, is the addition of the locking, or
second, rear screw. This locking screw works against the vertical adjustment
screw. It is threaded into the sight leaf, and acts against the frame
top-strap, as it is tightened. This is what provides the locking action,
that was missing from all the earlier variants.

The last variant is what is on the K-22 second model; the micrometer-
click adjustment. This variant became the standard after WW2.

There is nothing collector-wise important about any of these earlier
variants. They were just part of an evolution, and there are enough guns
with each of this variants, to preclude any one of them from having
special collector value.

Later, Mike Priwer
 
Yes, yours is the last one they put on K22 Outdoorsman, as Mike stated. It does have the HumpBack Hammer and that adds greatly to the value of the gun, particularly if it shipped that way from the factory. My guess is that if it did, I will have a serial number between maybe 665,000 and maybe 680,000. At least those are the approximate guns that came with that hammer installed. Without seeing the rest of the gun it would be hard to estimate condition, but just from what we can see its got some very desireable grips. Prewar Magna K frame grips are sought after by most collectors. The two added features we can see will probably push the price or value over $1,000. There's noticeable finish damage on the cylinder which I would assume extends to other places on the frame. That to me would bring the overall condition down to maybe a solid 80%.

One thing you need to understand. You can start asking $1250 or $1500, and its easy to drop your price. Folks don't like it much when you try to raise it!
 
Did this one get sold yet? I haven't slept much since viewing this post. Haven't seen it in classifides and just assumed you got barraged with incomming once you posted and the deal was consumated. Ya never know until you ask.

Roger
 
Thanks for the great info, and btw I haven't got around to posting it for sale yet, still in the safe. I'm dealing with some health issues lately due to a back injury and recent bout with a severe lung infection, also trying to keep working, which is involving more and more travel, so my time is spent more on work and then rest/recuperating and getting set to travel again than anything else. The pills I'm taking just wipe me out. Sorry excuse I know, but true.
I will try to get up and around tomorrow to figure out what I'm going to put up for sale and actually doing it, please forgive my tardiness on this, I'm tryin' hard to keep going and not sure I still can much longer.
RD
 

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