OU shotguns...

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For no particularly good reason, I have an itch to look into OU shotgunts. I currently have a 20 ga Remington 1100, so I am most interesting in sticking with 20 ga. I am most interested in skeet.

From what I've read, Berreta (the 686?) and Browning Citori are about the minimum quality needed for a good, rugged shotgun that will stand up to a lot of use.

I've read their a lot of clones made in places like Turkey, but that their quality is no where close to Berreta and Browning and won't hold up in the long run.

Ruger used to have their Red Label, currently out of production. I'm wondering if that is worth looking into also.
 
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Skip the Ruger, run away, never look back or even get that thought into your head.

You are correct the minimum standard for quality and longevity are either Browning or Beretta. Pick the one that FITS over the name as if one fits you best, odds are the other one won't. Not a bad thing, just a different way of making their gun stocks.

Best thing to do is either rent or borrow every gun you can and actually SHOOT them at targets to see which one REALLY fits
 
Stay away from the Red Label, I foolishly went that route. It spent more time with the gunsmith than with me. Parts are hard to find.

You're doing right looking at Beretta and Browning. I sold the Red Label and bought a Browning Superposed and haven't looked back.
 
QUALITY AINT CHEAP.

For LOT'S of shooting, quality (as in a LONG life) is well worth investing the big bucks. A Ruger red label 28 gauge was fine for a light wt / fast grouse gun, but not for a serious trap/skeet/clays gun. IMO
 
I have an early 1973 mfg Citori that I inherited from my father. It certainly has some honest wear and character marks but is going strong after 45 years and thousands upon thousands of shells thru the tubes. Has never had any issues. Have never owned a 686/687 but had a DT-10 and can tell you, Berettas are built like bank vaults and will run forever.
 
Beretta

Look at the Beretta 690 Field. Excellent shotgun that will last several lifetimes. I'm pretty sure it is available with cast off or cast on which is a huge plus to neutral cant guns. They are light and low profile. The kind of gun you can carry all day. If you intend on hunting upland birds, you want an instinctive pointing, quick shotgun for those surprise flushes.
 
If you don't find a deal on a Beretta or Browning, buy one of the cheaper guns.
Shoot it until or if problems develop, then sell it and buy another one.

I prefer the the big names mentioned above, but I don't expect my chainsaw, car, or anything else to last forever either.
As someone said earlier, fit is more important than almost anything else.
Buy what fits.
 
I mainly shoot trap (with a Browning BPS with a 30" barrel), but wanted to get something for skeet. I bought a Tristar TT-15 Sporting as a "bad weather" over/under while I looked for a better gun. The TT-15 line is Tristar's "top" line of competition guns, but sell in the $800 to $1800 range depending on extras. Well, I quit looking for something else. Over 1600 rounds and not a hiccup. Nice wood and build. Now it's not a Browning or Beretta, but I could not be happier. The model I bought was a TT-15 Sporting (12 gauge) with 30" barrells for less than $800. I am now using it as my main trap gun as well.

All of that is to say, I think I was smart to buy something inexpensive to see if I even liked shooting an O/U, and having a bad weather gun is not a bad idea either. I could buy a Browning or Beretta or Rizzini or anything else if I wanted. Money is not a big issue. I just don't like buying expensive tools to get simple work done.
 
If you don't find a deal on a Beretta or Browning, buy one of the cheaper guns.
Shoot it until or if problems develop, then sell it and buy another one.

I prefer the the big names mentioned above, but I don't expect my chainsaw, car, or anything else to last forever either.
As someone said earlier, fit is more important than almost anything else.
Buy what fits.

I bought a Browning Gti in 1994; it now has over 300K rounds; it is lasting well after replacing a few springs and pins at 90K
 
Ive an older, early 1990s Ruger Red Label that's been spot on and taken many dove, quail and clay over the years. I believe they re introduced it a few yeas ago and I haven't heard much about the latest version.

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If you wish to stick to 20 ga. then your 1100 is as good as it gets. Swings as well as any O/U and kicks a lot less. The 1100 is also very dependable and very easy to fix on the spot when you carry spare parts.
If you just plain want another gun and it has to be an O/U, then I would go for a 12 ga Beretta and get insert tubes for 20 ga. If you are a handloader you could load 12 ga. shells with 7/8 oz of shot which would give you 20 gauge performance in a heavier and better swinging gun with less recoil.
All things aside, If all you want is 20 ga and skeet, then you have the best right now in your 1100.
 
JUST MINE???

Ive an older, early 1990s Ruger Red Label that's been spot on and taken many dove, quail and clay over the years. I believe they re introduced it a few yeas ago and I haven't heard much about the latest version.

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My buddy & I both bought early 90's red labels, his a pistol grip 20 ga, mine a 28 ga straight grip. Mine had MUCH better wood. Luck of the draw, IDK??? It took a lot of work to learn to SLOW DOWN, coming from a 12 ga Beneli SBE, a huge difference.
 
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I started my O/U gun collecting, by buying a used Citori 20 gauge Upland Special. 26" barrels, Straight (English) stock, and old enough to have fixed chokes. I had a 28" 28 gauge Beretta 686 Silver Pidgin next and then got a very early Red Label 26" 12 gauge Sheet model that someone had Briley thin wall chokes installed on. The three guns had totally different dynamics! Especially the Red Label! So it was the first to go, on a note: That gun had close to 500,000 rounds through it and still worked fine! The gun has trunions instead of a hinge pin. It wobbled pretty badly when open, but locked up just fine when closed! Beretta uses trunions also, they are replaceable, where the Ruger's are cast into the action and once they are worn they are GONE!!! But trunions give the action a lower profile by a 1/4 or 3/8 inch and that can and will effect handling and felt recoil a lot (To my way of thinking good for recoil, too different on handling!) So I settled into Brownings, I like Brownings, I shoot Brownings well, and I always need more Brownings!

My 1st Superpose was sent to me buy God! I walked into my favorite LGS on my 50th Birthday, and on the shelf was a 1962 12 gauge 30" 3" chamber and full/full chokes Lightning, with an English Walnut stock, "The only Blonde I ever loved!", two years latter I walked in on my 52nd birthday and there was a 1965 20 gauge Superpose with 28" 2.75" chamber and mod/full chokes, "The second Only Blonde I ever loved!"

With those tight chokes, I shouldn't be able to do very well on Sporting Clays, but the dynamics of the Lightning model made it possible to break bird so fast my pattern would be much bigger than a fist! There was a presentation at 5 yards: true pair left to right and rising, "Pull", bang, bang, and nothing but a black cloud of dust, a three pair station. I ran it! I said, "How long can I keep this up?" 16 pair later they made me move on! By the way nobody else can hit them that quick!

I had a late 70's 28" GTI very nice early Sporting Clays guns (same series is called Ultra latter on), I traded it for a 30" 425 (12 Gauge) then picked up a 28" 425 20 gauge. That gun produced the best day of Sporting Clays I ever had: 44/50, 44/50, & 39/50.

I have acquired a taste for 28 Gauge and 410 Bore, Browning Feather XS 30" barreled beauties that smoke bird the 12 gauge Class B shooters find impossible! My heart and blood pressure can't stand the stress of when I get to competitive, so I shoot big tournaments in the Hunter Class, no prize money, no awards, just lots of fun a about have the entry fee!

If you buy the entry level of any style gun, you will get a gun that was made to make money on at a low price point! Usually they will be fantastic hunting guns, but all the little features that make the gun handle better cast money! Unlike 1911 pistols, you can't just add on new features (at least not affordably!) So you end up buying a better gun, I traded some really good guns to get features and wish I still had those guns so my sons could use them when they come to visit.

There are two schools of thought on how to shoot more gauges with less guns. Briley makes full length sub-gauge tubes, and Browning makes multi barreled sets, both cost money but are still less expensive than buying 4 guns!

Ivan
 
If you are of fairly average build, you can do well with either a Beretta or Browning. Pick what feels best to you. After that, it's just a matter of learning your gun, which usually means shooting it. No hardship there, right?

I happen to favor Brownings, but I have owned some very nice Berettas over the years. I like both. If you have any "shotgun man" in you at all, you will get a feel for which gun you prefer after you've handled them for a few minutes. After you've used it for a year, you will know a lot more about shotguns and what you want and need. To get you started, an entry level sporter by either Browning or Beretta will do very well for both skeet and sporting clays.
 
Ive an older, early 1990s Ruger Red Label that's been spot on and taken many dove, quail and clay over the years. I believe they re introduced it a few yeas ago and I haven't heard much about the latest version.

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Because their latest iteration sucked AGAIN and they discontinued it AGAIN with zero customer support.
I had the original 28 gauge, they one they "supposedly got right". Not mine - three trips back to Ruger, they replaced everything inside three times; it finally went away. It's too bad because it was going to be my quail/chukar gun for climbing uphill all days those little ^&%#$*&^%(*&^*& birds!
 
johngalt;140269981 From what I've read said:
That's all you need to know. The 2 guns handle different so pick the one that you like the best. For quality and dependability I don't think there is 2 cents difference in them. (Beretta handles better for me:D) Larry
 
One more vote for Browning or Beretta. I grew up shooting both. In my experience the Brownings "may" be a bit less prone to mechanical failures, but I'm talking shotguns used to fire many thousands of rounds. The Turkish shotgun like the CZ would probably work just fine for the average hunter, but they and the Russian guns won't hold up to heavy use like the Browning or Beretta.
 
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