Out of battery discharge new rifle

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Took my new mp1522 (Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 Sport Kit .22 LR 25rd 16.5" Rifle 12546) out yesterday and had an out of battery discharge using federal 510s. Rifle had around 150 rounds through it when it occured. No damage done to rifle that I can see after taking down and cleaning it.
 
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Hmmm.

I'd like to see the casing itself to see if it has a normal firing pin indent or did you somehow trap the round between the chamber mouth and extractor?

I did discharge a 9mm round in the latter manner on a SIG 226. Fortunately, I was not injured.
 
I'd like to see the casing itself to see if it has a normal firing pin indent or did you somehow trap the round between the chamber mouth and extractor?

I did discharge a 9mm round in the latter manner on a SIG 226. Fortunately, I was not injured.

I MUST AGREE THAT A CLOSE EXAMINATION OF THE FIRED CASE, WOULD BE CRITICAL IN DETERMINING HOW THIS DISCHARGE OCCURRED......
 
I MUST AGREE THAT A CLOSE EXAMINATION OF THE FIRED CASE, WOULD BE CRITICAL IN DETERMINING HOW THIS DISCHARGE OCCURRED......

I did not keep case, firing pin mark was not as deep as normal case. It was blown out just forward of the rim about thinkness of rim and less than 1/5 circumference.
 
Did you check the trigger disconnect to see if it is functioning properly?
If it isn't working right the hammer can ride the firing pin and cause a slam fire.
 
Google M&P 15-22 OOB discharge (out of battery), and you will see that this is an issue with these rifles. They have been banned from Project Appleseed Events....for now. I would contact S&W and return it to them for inspection and repair(s).


REPORTS TO BE AWARE OF:

Bowie, MD: A shooter (RHS) firing a M&P 15/22 with Remington 22 Thunderbolt Ammo had an out of battery discharge. A Metal Fragment hit the arm of a shooter next to her (LHS) in her right arm. She, did not realize that she had been hit with fragments at first and continued to fire until blood begin to pool (time est. 11:10am) feeling only a warm sting. Instructors rendered first aid applying a compression type bandage to stop the bleeding. Shoot boss suggested that she go to local hospital or emergency clinic. She was able to drive herself to the hospital. They took x-rays of the area and found a fragment deep in her arm. Hospital suggested that she see an Orthopedic surgeon or her Doctor on Monday to have the object removed but surgery should not be required.

Casper, WY: This past weekend we had a student show up with a 15/22. She had been using it pretty regular, since she had also attended our recent boot camp. After about 8 sets of squares, she began to notice the malfunction. Upon careful observation, it was noticed that as she reset the sear the rifle would discharge. We called cease fire and immediately removed this rifle from the line, and replaced it with a loaner.

Once off line, it was field stripped and upon inspection, found that not only was it firing at reset, but also when the safety was engaged. Further inspection found that the trigger pin and the hammer pin were both loose. They both had moved about 1/16th of an inch to the right. Just enough to be loose on the left side of the receiver. The pins were gently hammered back in and function checks performed. After about 3 sets, the hammer pin slid out again.

The rifle was reassembled and tagged out, student was told that 1) the rifle needed to be seen by her gunsmith; or 2) (my recommendation) sent back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement.

Michigan Senior Instructor: The SI wanted to shoot an AQT with his 15/22, but he needed to verify the zero. Another instructor volunteered to take the rifle over to another range, put it on a bench, and confirm zero. While shooting the first string, after pulling the trigger, the extractor shot out the ejection port along with the case and the extractor spring. The case was retrieved and it was observed to be split down the side, indicating that the rifle fired out of battery. Fortunately, the instructor was alone on the range, and no one was injured. The rifle was sent back to S&W, and it was repaired and returned. A copy of one page of the manual was enclosed, highlighting the need to keep the rifle clean and only use certain types of ammunition, insinuating that the problem was operator error, not a design flaw. The Senior Instructor sold the rifle shortly thereafter.

Michigan Instructor: "Back before I was more familiar with this model, we had a malfunction of the Extractor during an event – it simply fell apart during a course of fire. I took it to Williams and they said it needed to go back to S&W. To save time I just bought a new extractor, springs and dowel pins and replaced them myself. Tested it and it worked fine, that's until it malfunctioned again after several hundred rounds down range.

As the old saying goes "two is one and one is none" – I had purchased several extractors, springs and dowel pins – replaced it a second time and it worked fine all up until I had a "Run-Away…" Luckily I had the muzzle pointed down range as it spit out the balance of 30 rounds down range without the need to have a finger on the trigger….
I contacted S&W and they sent me a repair tag and shipped it back to them. Upon its return I noticed that they replaced the hammer, sear and all the springs were replaced with "Blue" springs. The rifle performed well the after that but I never brought it back to an Appleseed. It now sits in the vault as an expensive club."

Montpelier, VA: I've witnessed out-of-battery firing and squib from M&P 15/22's twice but never from a 10/22
 
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In describing the casing as being blown out just forward of the rim tells me that the round was nearly fully chambered, ruling out trapping of the round between the chamber and the extractor. In the latter instance, the casing would have displayed considerably more damage.
 
I'd cast it into the fiery pit of hell and get a 10/22....these rifles are evil...that's all I have to say on the matter...APPLESEED are 900% correct. Everyone on this forum is dancing with the devil when they pick up these dangerous, soul reaping, harbingers of malfunctions.

P.S I run a service where I will exorcise and destroy this demonic piece of plastic...just send it to me, i'll pay the postage and you can be safe again.

;)
 
Took my new mp1522 (Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 Sport Kit .22 LR 25rd 16.5" Rifle 12546) out yesterday and had an out of battery discharge using federal 510s. Rifle had around 150 rounds through it when it occured. No damage done to rifle that I can see after taking down and cleaning it.
I see you posted on RFC also. Interesting that you didn't mention the failures to eject here. If fired cases are getting caught on their way out they'll slow the bolt and you can have a bolt not fully closing. There are plenty of you tube videos about adjusting the ejector. Simple fix.
Good luck.
Maybe next time you'll tell us the whole story...
 
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I see you posted on RFC also. Interesting that you didn't mention the failures to eject here. If fired cases are getting caught on their way out they'll slow the bolt and you can have a bolt not fully closing. There are plenty of you tube videos about adjusting the ejector. Simple fix.
Good luck.
Maybe next time you'll tell us the whole story...
Was not trying leave details out to decieve anyone. I was not worried as much about the ftes as the oob. Did not tie the two issues together.
 
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They have been banned from Project Appleseed Events....for now.

Are you aware of some change by saying 'for now'

PA said they are banned until S&W investigate the issue and S&W have done nothing of the sort. They do not have the offending rifles to investigate. So that stalled any investigation. Impasse, which has gone on waaaaayyy too long, that PA has effectively banned the evil 15-22 indefinitely.
 
Are you aware of some change by saying 'for now'

PA said they are banned until S&W investigate the issue and S&W have done nothing of the sort. They do not have the offending rifles to investigate. So that stalled any investigation. Impasse, which has gone on waaaaayyy too long, that PA has effectively banned the evil 15-22 indefinitely.

You are reading into my comment too much, "For now" means just that. "For now" simply means until such time that they are deemed safe. That may be 'indefinitely', or, it may not. 'Indefinitely' doesn't mean 'forever'.
 
Just my experience...

Over 50,000 rounds through three 15-22s and not a single OOB experience. In almost fifty years of shooting and close to a million rounds of .22 LR through at least a dozen different semi-autos and not a single OOB experience.

EVERY SINGLE OCCURANCE OTHERS HAVE HAD THAT I HAVE INVESTIGATED COULD BE TRACED TO EITHER A DIRTY FIREARM OR ONE THAT HAD BEEN MODIFIED BY SHADE TREE GUNSMITHING.
 
Just my experience...

Over 50,000 rounds through three 15-22s and not a single OOB experience. In almost fifty years of shooting and close to a million rounds of .22 LR through at least a dozen different semi-autos and not a single OOB experience.

EVERY SINGLE OCCURANCE OTHERS HAVE HAD THAT I HAVE INVESTIGATED COULD BE TRACED TO EITHER A DIRTY FIREARM OR ONE THAT HAD BEEN MODIFIED BY SHADE TREE GUNSMITHING.

Gun is brand new, cleaned before shooting, and not modified. Only fired approximately 150 rounds and was not very dirty when I got home and cleaned
 
Any mechanical device that is manufactured in large quantities is likely to display any number of variations based upon manufacturing tolerances of each component part, combinations of parts with varying degrees of manufacturing tolerances, assembly methods, and other factors. When a single specimen fails to provide optimum performance it is time to contact the manufacturer for guidance or assistance with correcting the issues.

Speculation is not particularly helpful. Condemnation of an entire product line based upon isolated problems is not called for. Reporting such incidents to the manufacturer should have a positive effect, not only for the individual owner, but also for every other product user because the people responsible for the design and development of the product will have the broadest amount of information available in order to assess and correct these issues.

Short version: It is time to contact S&W Customer Service.
 
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