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Loaded up ladder rounds with 200gr Plated SWC by X Treme and used Titegroup. Starting @ 4.6gr Max @ 5.7gr 5.3 seamed to be the best giving me 895 fps MV using my labradar. Col was 1.230 but I was having feed problems with the round catching on the feed ramp. So did some more 5.3gr at 1.220". was wondering what .010" shorter would do the the chrono test so ran them to day. It raised HV,LV, and AV by 10fps and lowered Es by 4 and SD by 2. Had one round hang up and it was the mouth of the case catching and even tore the brass where it hung up. Going to tighten the tapered crimp just a little more. This Gold Cup NM is really picky. Will feed hardball all day.
 
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Pretty much the exclusive bullet I shoot in Smith E Series 1911 and Smith 625acp revolver. My OAL is pretty much where you were at 1.233 with no issues, crimp is .4677-.468. Have not ever had issues but I don't consider the Smith E series picky at all and the 625 revolver is way fun!
I am mixed headstamp brass too, are you mixed or just one brand?
Titegroup @ 4.8-5.1 is fine for me with Xtreme 200 SWC's.

I am sure you will get it sorted out!
Karl
 
ontargetagain said:
Pretty much the exclusive bullet I shoot in Smith E Series 1911 and Smith 625acp revolver. My OAL is pretty much where you were at 1.233 with no issues, crimp is .4677-.468. Have not ever had issues but I don't consider the Smith E series picky at all and the 625 revolver is way fun!
I am mixed headstamp brass too, are you mixed or just one brand?
Titegroup @ 4.8-5.1 is fine for me with Xtreme 200 SWC's.

I am sure you will get it sorted out!
Karl
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I only sort brass for ladder test and my benchrest AR.
I might back off to 5.0grs as these are running 900 fps and I don't need that for target work. They do group well.
 
I'm using a longer oal than you are and my loads feed nicely in nine [emoji33] guns.Try tightening the crimp a bit.If you drop the vel down to 775-800 fps,you will probably shoot tighter groups with a bonus of the brass dropping at your feet [emoji1]
 
Thanks Arjay I don't think I need 900 fps to poke holes in targets. I made up 5 dummy rounds at 1.250" and they fed fine also I just selected 1.220" as that is what Hornady called for with a similar bullet. After tightening the tapered crimp they all seam to feed fine.
 
Most feeding issues with the swc in any 1911 can be fixed with an OAL adjustment. I can't give you an exact OAL, every gun & bullet is diff, but usually longer than the manual will feed better.
 
When I load my 200gr SWCs, I tend to seat them with about 0.1" of the bullet body above the case mouth, and taper crimp. I load about 5.0gr of WW231, and I look for a velocity slightly above 750 fps. This is from a Springfield Armory Trophy Match. When I use this load, I switch to a 12 pound recoil spring so I maintain proper timing.
 
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When I load my 200gr SWCs, I tend to seat them with about 0.1" of the bullet body above the case mouth, and taper crimp. I load about 5.0gr of WW231, and I look for a velocity slightly above 750 fps. This is from a Springfield Armory Trophy Match. When I use this load, I switch to a 12 pound recoil spring so I maintain proper timing.
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Thanks I can see I really need to drop this 900 fps down. 4.6grs of TiteGroup, which is the starting load will give me 800fps. I still have to run test with CFE Pistol, Bullseye, and Unique. Gives me something to do every day.
 
I like 4.9-5.2 of TG under a 200 gr plated SWC ( depending on what I'm running it in.).

Also, when you look at data on the net (including here), take special note to the material the poster is using. i.e Lead, plated or FMJ. If they don't state it, discard the info. Best to compare apples to apples in this area.
p.s for reliable feeding, be sure your feed ramp and throat are polished along with having a decent crimp.
 
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Wee Hooker said:
I like 4.9-5.2 of TG under a 200 gr plated SWC ( depending on what I'm running it in.).

Also, when you look at data on the net (including here), take special note to the material the poster is using. i.e Lead, plated or FMJ. If they don't state it, discard the info. Best to compare apples to apples in this area.
p.s for reliable feeding, be sure your feed ramp and throat are polished along with having a decent crimp.
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Thanks Dave. I am going to test some reduced loads. I got the load data from Hornady's manual and the bullet i am using compares petty much to the one they used. 5grs is what I think I will end up going with. I have done the chrono workup and still got to check groupings. The groups I got shooting past my LR seamed to indicate that the Max load grouped the best but I don't like to run target loads that hot.

I never use other peoples load data till I check it out in my manuals and run chrono test working up to their load. Test is where I get my most enjoyment from shooting and I shoot 4 to 5 times a week. Got to love retirement.
 
I have been loading 1.250" in my 200 LSWC for years.

Correct me if I am wrong, with a OAL of 1.230", doesn't that put the edge of the slug flush with the edge of the case?

If that's the case (ha....no pun intended) would that be a stronger or thicker edge for potential mis-feed?
 
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I have been loading 1.250" in my 200 LSWC for years.

Correct me if I am wrong, with a OAL of 1.230", doesn't that put the edge of the slug flush with the edge of the case?

If that's the case (ha....no pun intended) would that be a stronger or thicker edge for potential mis-feed?
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No with these bullets it leaves .040" out, but another .020 might help. I am shooting test groups today and will see how they act firing 50 rounds. Moving them out to 1.250 will decrease pressure a little and lower velocity a little.
 
Magload said:
No with these bullets it leaves .040" out, but another .020 might help. I am shooting test groups today and will see how they act firing 50 rounds. Moving them out to 1.250 will decrease pressure a little and lower velocity a little.
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Just a note; OAL diff of 0.020" doesn't move the pressure or vel needle much.
 
Magload said:
Thanks I can see I really need to drop this 900 fps down. 4.6grs of TiteGroup, which is the starting load will give me 800fps. I still have to run test with CFE Pistol, Bullseye, and Unique. Gives me something to do every day.
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Something around 750-825fps seems to be the sweet spot for 200grSWC in most 1911. Slower can cause stability issues, faster just wasting powder & beating the gun up for target shooting.
 
Shot many thousands of 200 grain H&G #68 L-SWC hand loads at 1.255->1.265" OAL through two 1911 45s.

Tried the 200 grain plated H&G #68 look-a-like SWCs in four 1911s at every reasonable OAL possible. Was never to find the magic length for reliable feeding.


Edit in response to pistol/magazine questions and comments: Since there were well over 1000 rounds of these copper plated SWCs, getting this bullet to feed reliably became an on-going "matter-of-honor" project.

The four 1911s used were a 5" Wilson Combat CQB, a Colt Gold Cup with 5" Bar-Sto Match Barrel, a 3.5" Colt Officers Model, and a 3" Kimber Ultra Carry II.

The full length magazines tested were Colt, Wilson (7&8 round), Chip McCormick, Mec-Gar, and old military issue. The "short" magazines tested were Colt, Wilson (7 round), and Chip McCormick.

All pistol/magazine combinations fed the H&G #68 L-SWC hand loads flawlessly. None of the pistol/magazine/ammo OAL combinations tried fed the copper plated SWC hand loads reliably. And after 9 weeks and countless trips to the range, I called it a day.
 
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Different magazines will play a huge part in how a 1911 will feed SWCs.... I've been running Kimber mags for quite some time, they're an early release design (lets go of the bullet sooner from the lips).

If that GC has the old design taper mag lips there's a bunch of your issue!!
 
When loading SWC bullets for the 1911 forget COAL. Just make sure that the shoulder of the bullet sticks out just a little from the mouth of the case. You shouldn't have to increase taper crimp to correct for feeding. Magazine lip adjustments can help to time the release of the cartridge. This is how far out of the shoulder I load, but most folks find seating it just a little deeper in the case works best for them.
 
shovelwrench said:
Different magazines will play a huge part in how a 1911 will feed SWCs.... I've been running Kimber mags for quite some time, they're an early release design (lets go of the bullet sooner from the lips).

If that GC has the old design taper mag lips there's a bunch of your issue!!
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No I am using Wilson Mags but I will try others I have. Thanks for the idea.
 
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