Picked up my PPK/S .380 Yesterday

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This was sort of a nostalgia acquisition for me. When I was a young teenager (late 50s) the family physician gave me a WWII-era PPK in 7.65mm with leather holster that came back with him as a war trophy. It even had a trophy letter signed by, as I recall, General Everett C. Pearlman.

I foolishly let that one get away about 30 years ago, but I always liked the way it felt in my hand. So when I was browsing a couple of weeks ago and spotted the modern PPK and PPK/S that my dealer had under the glass, I spent some time with them and put down the money for the slightly larger one. I didn't think I needed the extra round in the magazine -- the gun just filled my old hand a little better. I opted for .380 because the .32 round just always seemed really light to me.

The shape still feels good, and I'm glad to have a relative of my old friend back. Fit and finish are not what they were on the old one, but I didn't expect an identical gun. There are some rub areas where the slide and frame/barrel block could have used some more attention, and the decocker is pretty stiff. There are LOTS of sharp edges on this thing. But a few hours with polish and mild abrasives will clean it up and smooth it out nicely. As others have noted, the DA trigger pull feels a little stiff and heavy, but I don't mind that. SA pull is great.

I always like the loaded chamber indicator on the old one I had; you could read it with your thumb in the dark. I gather that was omitted from some late-war and post-war versions of the gun. It's good to see it on this one.

This is probably going to replace the 649 in my desktop vault as the primary home defense gun. Or maybe it will just join it -- there's room for both in there.

But man, that is one ugly way to put a serial number into a frame. Call me a traditionalist, but I like to see numbers incised or pressed into in my steel, not left in high relief after you burn away the surrounding metal.

David W.
 
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This was sort of a nostalgia acquisition for me. When I was a young teenager (late 50s) the family physician gave me a WWII-era PPK in 7.65mm with leather holster that came back with him as a war trophy. It even had a trophy letter signed by, as I recall, General Everett C. Pearlman.

I foolishly let that one get away about 30 years ago, but I always liked the way it felt in my hand. So when I was browsing a couple of weeks ago and spotted the modern PPK and PPK/S that my dealer had under the glass, I spent some time with them and put down the money for the slightly larger one. I didn't think I needed the extra round in the magazine -- the gun just filled my old hand a little better. I opted for .380 because the .32 round just always seemed really light to me.

The shape still feels good, and I'm glad to have a relative of my old friend back. Fit and finish are not what they were on the old one, but I didn't expect an identical gun. There are some rub areas where the slide and frame/barrel block could have used some more attention, and the decocker is pretty stiff. There are LOTS of sharp edges on this thing. But a few hours with polish and mild abrasives will clean it up and smooth it out nicely. As others have noted, the DA trigger pull feels a little stiff and heavy, but I don't mind that. SA pull is great.

I always like the loaded chamber indicator on the old one I had; you could read it with your thumb in the dark. I gather that was omitted from some late-war and post-war versions of the gun. It's good to see it on this one.

This is probably going to replace the 649 in my desktop vault as the primary home defense gun. Or maybe it will just join it -- there's room for both in there.

But man, that is one ugly way to put a serial number into a frame. Call me a traditionalist, but I like to see numbers incised or pressed into in my steel, not left in high relief after you burn away the surrounding metal.

David W.
 
Congratulations on your new acquisition, but why in the world would anyone willingly choose a .380 as their primary home defense gun?! You should seriously reconsider that idea. Further, the reliability of the PPK family of pistols has always been very hit and miss. Be sure the one you have is 100% reliable.
 
Call me a traditionalist, but I like to see numbers incised or pressed into in my steel, not left in high relief after you burn away the surrounding metal.

Amen. If BATF wants to complain about how S&W marks guns, they ought to start with that.

I have an older Interarms 380 PPK. Its a nicely made and finished gun, and will shoot a decent group - just about 12" above point of aim at 25 yards...
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I have to agree with Xtrooper. For a gun that never gets carried (size and weight are not factors), why not pick something with a little more horsepower?
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Originally posted by M29since14:

I have to agree with Xtrooper. For a gun that never gets carried (size and weight are not factors), why not pick something with a little more horsepower?
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Well, in my enthusiasm for my new piece of steel I probably overstated its importance to me as a home defense piece. It will indeed live on my desk in a quick-open vault, but there are heftier guns around the house as well. Perhaps more in line with what you and XTrooper are thinking is my 500 Magnum, for which I recently bought some of the Bramletts' self-defense loads. Now these are the powderpuff loads of their 500 line, but each 350 grain slug leaves the barrel carrying twice the energy of .45 ACP ball ammo. That's probably more in line with what you have in mind.

The 500 is in close reach too, but darn it, it won't fit in a compact Gunvault box. Thank heavens it has an internal lock. Bless S&W for their foresight.



DW
 
DW,

With my old, arthritic hands, I wouldn't shoot your .500 S&W Magnum on a bet! I think I'd try to settle on a nice compromise caliber somewhere between your .380 and the .500.
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DCW:

Hey, what it boils down to is you have a fond memory of the PPK you had in your youth and wanted another.. Everyone agrees that the PPK in 32 or 380cal. is not the best choice in a cc pistol, nor a home defense firearm, but hey, if it's what you wanted good for you.

I had the same situation with an old Colt Cobra when I was in college... Couldn't afford one then, got 2 now...
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I have many other choices in the house for cc use so the Cobra seldom gets carried, but I still love 'em and they aren't going anywhere until my Son inherits them in the will and trades them to some lucky stiff for a used video game..
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Enjoy the new PPS.. USE the best self defense ammo in it you can find, and with the Lifetime warranty if it has problems S&W Customer Service will take care of it for you.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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Originally posted by handgunner356:
You might want to check with your dealer, it's my understanding that the PPK now has a $50/2-mag rebate on them also.

Yes, I got the rebate slip when I picked up the gun. Thanks for pointing this out in case someone else has a burning desire for a slightly underpowered semiautomatic with a rich German history to the design.
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Originally posted by PX15:
DCW:

Hey, what it boils down to is you have a fond memory of the PPK you had in your youth and wanted another.. Everyone agrees that the PPK

I had the same situation with an old Colt Cobra when I was in college... Couldn't afford one then, got 2 now...
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Jesse,

Nice Cobras -- I understand their appeal.

What are your thoughts about the Seecamp?

DW
 
Originally posted by DCWilson
What are your thoughts about the Seecamp?
DW


DW:

Well, you might not want to get me started on the Seecamp pistol... I'm a big Seecamp fan, and I consider Larry Seecamp to be a great individual, and I'm lucky I can call him a friend.

But here goes:

I think the vast majority of non-leo's and the like who cc a firearm will probably never have to use it. So in truth the idea of carrying a firearm concealed on a daily basis is more because we are "gun people", and just enjoy the comfort of knowing that should the unthinkable occur we will not be defenseless.

I know that is the situation for myself. I'm an old fart, live in a rural community with basically a non-existent crime problem unless you are selling or buying drugs and make trips late at night to the wrong side of town.. I don't use or buy drugs and I keep my old butt at home late at night with my darling bride of over 40 years, and "Buddy" my Australian Shepherd. Oh yeah I have a chain link fence around the yard and at night the gate stays closed, and the Sheriff is my friend and neighbor and lives 3 doors down. (Could be a song title in there someplace).

But when I get in my old El Camino and mosey out in the real world, or especially when JoAnn and I are on the road for some reason I feel the need, and mental comfort of having a firearm handy.

I'm a big compact 9mm TDA fan. I like the 9mm round as it's pretty cheap and available almost anyplace you can buy ammo. I use DoubleTap 115gn. JHP's when I'm not just shooting paper or cans.

I have a HK P7,S&W3913,3913LS,CS9,6906 for those times I feel the need for a cc pistol of larger caliber than the LWS32, and I consider all of them excellent in that respect. My favorite 9mm changes with my mood, but all of the above are extremely reliable, sufficiently accurate, and I place my trust in any of them without reservation.

But honestly, 99% of the time, (and I cc 99% of the time) I just slip my LWS32 in a rear pocket (wallet style) holster and that's my cc weapon. I am convinced, perhaps incorrectly, that most confrontations occur very quickly, involve very few rounds fired, and is over very quickly.

All of the crap about how you need that "flying ash tray" 45cal round is personal opinion. Of course you want the largest, baddest round available if you need to defend yourself, but I've never been able to cc a 45cal. pistol comfortably (I've had two), I don't care for the "cocked n' locked" mode of carry, and if I think I'm going to be attacked by a band of drug crazed moro natives I'm staying at home.

I believe that NObody wants to be shot with ANY caliber round. I believe having a firearm for personal defense, no matter the caliber, is the main thing. I'm willing to bet if I started shooting 7 rounds of 32, or 380cal jhp's in your direction you'd cease and desist, right?

On the other hand if you ARE confronted by a meth crazed wacko even a 45cal jhp won't necessarily end the party before the culprit does whatever he wants to you and his central nervous system shuts down..

The Seecamp pistol is without a doubt the highest quality mousegun made, period. Truthfully the Seecamp is almost handmade, certainly in the final production stages.

Seecamps have a reputation for absolute reliability, and for my needs RELIABILITY is job one. (and two and three). Seecamps have no external sights, by design, as they are close up and personal self defense pistols. That's how Ludwig and Larry designed them, and they do a wonderful job of it.

I've had the KT's/NAA's/Tomcat's and for practical purposes the ones I had (excluding the crappy Beretta) would do the job just as well as my Seecamp. The only difference is the Seecamp is the absolute best of the breed, and if you don't care about quality, you might as well buy one of the others.

Additionally there are very few of the firearms I own (and I own a small pile)that I feel will always hold their value, and perhaps increase in value over time. The Cobras/Detective Specials, The surplus "A" grade HK P7, and our Seecamps are in that category. (my wife has one too.)

You won't lose money on a Seecamp.

I compare the Seecamp pistol to the competition in the same way I do a Timex vs a Rolex. The timex keeps time just as well as the Rolex, but it's not a Rolex. If all you want is a time piece, buy the Timex. If quality, and pride of ownership means anything to you, and you can afford it, you'd want the Rolex. Or I would.

I think the newly released P3AT clone the Ruger LCP is an excellent value in a 380cal self defense pistol.

I don't care for one. I've had an order in for a personalized (LAUSDEO1) LWS380 for over 14 months, and I'm still a month or more away from getting it. AND it cost over twice what I could have gotten an LCP for.

I'm not even convinced in a short barrel firearm such as the Seecamp that the 380 round is significantly an improvement over the 32cal Gold Dots in my LWS32, but I love Seecamps so much, and LWS380's are hard to come by, so I want one.

A Seecamp pistol is an exercise in personal choice.. I believe cheaper pistols will do the same job quite well and if that's what works for you then you can find them anyplace, anytime. But if want the absolute best in a small pistol you will never be disappointed in a Seecamp. Quality costs money,stainless steel more than plastic, pure and simple.

If you care to please monitor the www.seecamp.com forum for a few days. You will find the Seecamp forum extended family will be more than happy to answer any questions you might have about the Seecamp pistol, and bet before the smoke clears you'll buy one.

If there is a special concern you have regarding Seecamp pistols there is a "Ask Larry Seecamp" section, and you can get your concern addressed, and answered, right from the owner of Seecamp.

Seecamps aren't for everyone, but everyone that I've ever met or spoken to that owns one does so with pride, and absolute trust, that the Seecamp pistol will perform as designed..

IMO a personalized Seecamp pistol is a firearm you eventually hand down to your heirs in the hope they appreciate what they're being given.

Did I mention I'm sorta fond of Seecamps?

Sorry to ramble,

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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Mr. Wilson, Lots of people like to badmouth the little Walther's, as to why I don't know, maybe the cartridge, one they shot didn't work, or maybe they just don't like Walther's. Well I'm not one of them! I love my Walther's as much as I do my S&W's.
Here's my three PPK/s. The blued one is a Manurhin PPK/s in .22lr. The one with faux ivory is in .380acp, and the one with wood grips is in .32acp. All three have been reliable, and are a blast to shoot.
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Originally posted by PX15:


Did I mention I'm sorta fond of Seecamps?

Jesse, thanks for the extended report. I think there may be a Seecamp in my future -- even if I have to settle for the more complex than necessary California model.

DW
 
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the reliability of the PPK family of pistols has always been very hit and miss.

The ones I've had over a period of decades have never had any issue with FTF. Maybe I was just lucky.
 
I think there may be a Seecamp in my future -- even if I have to settle for the more complex than necessary California model.

DW


DW:

I think you'll be quite happy with the California version of the Seecamp.. It'll cost you another hundred bucks over the standard version, but since the Seecamp really doesn't need a safety (except in the minds of the Kalifornia politicians)just don't use it unless it's your preference.

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
While I don't have one yet, I do have a burning desire for one. I have a good friend who has one of the S&W PPK/S and I have found it to be a blast to shoot and totally reliable, he doesn't quite feel that way about my .44M, but that's a different story. LOL
 
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