Police positive vs Official Police

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Howdy,
Heck of a place to seek help with this.
I'm wanting to add a fixed sight, 6", .38 special, Colt to the battery. Either a Police Positive or Official Police model.
I want to find a decent one, but I don't know if there is a preference from a shooters prospective.
Is one superior to the other as far as double action lock work or D/A trigger pull?
I bet someone around here knows.
Thanks a million
Mike
 
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Here's my take.

The curve of the Colt's trigger is tighter than a Smith's. I bought a Police Positive Special, and it was actually uncomfortable for me to shoot. It hurt my finger. :)

I have a Python and a New Service, and while they have the same angle of curve, the gun, being bigger, makes the space in the curve (if that makes any sense) bigger, and it is not uncomfortable for me to shoot.

I gave the Police Positive to my daughter. She has smaller hands, and likes it.

If I was going to buy one of the two you specify, I would get the Official Police, as it is on the same 41 frame the New Service/Trooper/Python is, and has the larger, more comfortable trigger.

Maybe I've just got big hands, because I have never heard anyone else complain about the Police Positive/Dick Special trigger size. :confused:

added: Some comparison pix. Look at 'em side by side and it's obvious

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Colt_Police_Positive_Special.png

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/revolver/1287754898.jpg
 
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Thanks

Hi Alpo,
That is good to know. I'm a pretty big guy.
I know about as much about Colts as Michael Moore.
Thanks
Mike
 
Alpo is wrong about the New Service. It is on a large .45 frame, not the .41 frame of the OP and Python.

If you want a six-inch bbl. for certain, get the OP. The frame better suits that longer barrel. The Police Positive Special was more of a service gun that could be concealed. Its virtue was handiness. With a four-inch barrel, it made a lot of sense. The five inch was pushing things, and six is just too long, I think.

I beieve I'd try to get one made in the 1950's or later, as the metallurgy is better than the old guns. Colt advised having the small frame .38's inspected after firing 3,000 rounds of Plus P ammo, to be sure the frames hadn't stretched. No such issue with the larger Official Police.

The OP has a grip that'll probably feel very good in your hand. i think Frank Pachmayr had this in mind when designing his Presentation grip, which is sort of like a larger OP grip in a way. It has the same oval feel.

Be aware that the gun may not shoot to the sights, and you'll need a KNOWLEDGEABLE gunsmith familiar with older Colts to turn the barrel very slightly to get the barrel centered with the sight groove in the frame. Askins had to re-sight almost all of the Colts he bought for the USBP while their chief firearms instructor. You may get lucky. I once owned a .45 New Service made in the mid-1930's that was dead accurate; shot right to the sights. But don't count on it.

Keep us posted. I urgently suggest that you locate and buy copies of, "The Handgun", by Geoffrey Boothroyd and Haven and Belden's, "A History of the Colt Revolver, 1836-1940." And get Elmer Keith's, "Sixguns", preferably the updated 1961 edition. Do you know the difference between the Police Positive and the PP Special? You want the latter, in .38 Special. To confuse matters, the final edition of the PPS reverted to just the PP name. It came with a bbl. tht has an underlug like on many S&W or Ruger guns. I don't know why my typing turned black.
 
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I had a very nice Police Positive Special target .22 made in 1929 that I traded off because I didn't like shooting it. It didn't really fit my hand. I do have a 1980's Detective special that I have fired and I don't mind the way it feels in my hand. Perhaps it is the design of the grips. BTW, there is a Police Positive and a Police Positive Special. The .38 special is on the Police Positive Special frame (a bit longer). The Police Positive Special is a but bigger than the S&W J frame. It is a good carry size. The .41 frame feels good in my hand but is harder to conceal.
 
Yeh..the Colt 'New Service' frame is huge!

The Police Positive Special is the Colt 'D frame'..same as a Detective Special. A nice size..smaller than a K-frame Smith.

The Official Police frame would be maybe a bit larger than a S&W K-frame...closer to an L-frame S&W size-wise
 
Yeh..the Colt 'New Service' frame is huge!

The Police Positive Special is the Colt 'D frame'..same as a Detective Special. A nice size..smaller than a K-frame Smith.

The Official Police frame would be maybe a bit larger than a S&W K-frame...closer to an L-frame S&W size-wise

VERY close. The L-frame usually fits holsters made for the Python. Colt called this their .41 frame, as it was used for the .41 Long Colt.
 
Unless they were sock drawer specials or safe queens all the Police Positives I've seen were getting loose as a goose and needed at least some kind of review from a Colt gunsmith. I assume it's due to the heavier frame but I've never seen a shot out Official Police unless it was really REALLY looking like it was rode hard and hung up wet. I gave up searching for a four inch Police Positive when I found a nearly new looking later model Official Police at a decent price. The OP seems to be less desirable of the two for collectors as it is less sexy and svelte than the lighter framed models.

Official Police vs. M19-4 for size:

 
My police positive 22cal revolver doesn't feel right in my hands the way my officers target model does. But the officers target model is built on the 41 frame so it's a tad heavier. I still like my s&w k22. I do look forward to shooting them all.
 
Howdy,
Heck of a place to seek help with this.
I'm wanting to add a fixed sight, 6", .38 special, Colt to the battery. Either a Police Positive or Official Police model.
I want to find a decent one, but I don't know if there is a preference from a shooters prospective.
Is one superior to the other as far as double action lock work or D/A trigger pull?
I bet someone around here knows.
Thanks a million
Mike
Back when I was in the Army in the early '80s, I bought an Official Police. I liked it. It was a nice gun, substantial but not too big.

I've never owned a Police Positive, but from holding both, my preference would be for the Official Police.

As a general rule, you're always going to be able to get a better D/A pull out of a K or N frame Smith than from a Colt. As I recall, I've been told that Smiths stay in time better as well.

I traded that gun to a gunstore in Elizabethtown, KY, thinking that I could always replace it later. After all, it's not like Colt was going to stop making revolvers...

I found out years later that it had been stolen in California ten years before I bought it. Good thing I traded it when I did, or I would have been out a gun and what I paid for it at the gunstore where I purchased it.
 
Thanks everybody

Thanks everyone.
You have influenced me to lean towards an OP.
I do have another question or two. Those of you with the .22's, how do you like them? I really want a special but I keep thinking the .22's are a lot of gun for the money and probably a better investment.
How well regulated are the sights on any caliber OP? Texas star points out issues, but are they any better or worse than a model 10?
I always hear about the Colt quality of years gone by.
I have had great luck with the model 10's (Short of one Detroit PD) being pretty close even for PPC or bullseye work at 25 yards.
Thanks again
Mike
 
The Official Police and the Police Positive (Special) have the identicle lockwork in them. It's just that the OP has the mechanical advantage of better leverage, just simply bigger dimensions & parts.
The slightly larger frame adds to that advantage in handling the revolver giving it a better feel in most shooters hands when compared to a PP/Special.

Nice condition shooter OP Colts are still reletively easy to find and not to over the top in price. A 50's or 60's made revolver isn't usually priced as anything special,,yet,,unless it's pristine of course.

Police Positives in '38 New Police' caliber (38 S&W) in nice condition can be found for good prices yet because of the caliber.
Police Positive Specials in 38 Special caliber are pricey if in nice condition from what I see. Everyone likes the smaller revolvers.

All this depends on condition, age (pre-war guns go up in price).
Check the timing,,,,many are out of time, especially in DA.
That can really ruin a sale even on an otherwise great condition Colt.
 
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