Purple Heart question or two.

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Not trying to take away from that other thread but--I was wondering. I saw a news story a few days ago--I cannot remember which station it was on?probably on Fox. Anyway, they wer mentioning and showing video of those Fort Hood folks getting awarded their Purple Hearts. The newscaster said something like:""These were awarded to both the military and civilians who involved."" Then he said something like--they were given their appropriate versions of the award--the military and the civilain versions. Well, as far asive ever known--there are no seperate versions of the Purple Heart and both military and civilians get the exact same award.

Or am I grossly wrong? If there is a civilian version of the Purple Heart?I would sure like knowing what these look like and see whats different in their versions?
 
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According to Wikipedia and other sources, you are correct. The Purple Heart is not limited to military personnel but may also be awarded to civilians.

Thats what I had always thought.My grandfather was in the Merchant Marine in WWII-he got one--as well as the MM version which is called the: Merchant Mariners Medal for war wounded. These are pretty rare since just over five thousand were ever awarded.
 
I think there should be a purple heart for a actual battle wound & a different type for none battle wound.
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Purple Hearts are only for battle wounds. It took special dispensation for this particular award as I understand it. Just stubbing your toe and being in the military won't get you a Purple Heart. Been there, done that.
 
I think you've found your answer. Even so, I'd like to comment.

It's my opinion that military medals should only be given to military members.

Then quit sending civilians in harms way with the military. And I don't mean contractors. I did it twice as a DoD civilian and the way the military treated us as second class citizens was sickening. We went alone, in uniform, by ourselves into places the military were not allowed to go and they were armed, we weren't.
 
My son has three Purple Hearts. (One and two Oak Leaf clusters.)

Two were awarded for wounds in battle in Iraq. I think the third was for combat in a country that can't be named, for diplomatic reasons. He was then a mercenary soldier (security contractor) assigned by the US State Dept. to protect US federal agents conducting covert operations there. He was wounded in the shoulder, above the Kevlar plates in his vest, by what seems to have been a ricocheting AK-47 bullet. It entered him sideways and was recovered when a US agent rendered first aid after they neutralized the attackers.

I think this was the second Oak Leaf cluster to his Purple Heart, and he was technically a civilian then. It is possible that because he was functioning as a paramilitary soldier under the auspices of the United States that he was deemed military for this purpose.

I may be wrong about this. All three awards may be for action in Iraq. I'll ask. But that's what I remember from what he told me. The scar is sort of weird, because the bullet evidently didn't enter point-first. Had it penetrated deeper, it would have been a really nasty wound.

My son got married in his dress blues and the uniform is impressive. But I'd rather that he didn't have to "earn" those Purple Hearts. BTW, one required his evacuation to the USA and he spent some time in Walter Reed army hospital. He said the staff treated him and other wounded soldiers very well.

This is an interesting question. I think the OP wants to know if civilians wounded by enemies of the USA can receive an actual Purple Heart or if they get another award. I am especially keen to know if the Purple Heart can be awarded to technical civilians who are bearing arms against the enemy, and whose wounds occurred in battle, not while they were helpless victims of terrorists.

This could easily occur if FBI agents were investigating a bomb blast at a US Embassy, such as in Libya or in Kenya.

I suspect that CIA officers may sometimes accompany friendly foreign forces looking for terrorists, as may US paramilitary troops or advisors who are no longer in the army or other services may do.
 
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They should receive something, but I believe the military award should be reserved for the military.
It would probably mean a new set of categories for awards, but then, this is a new kind of war we're in now.
To award military medals and awards to civilians will put things on the slippery slope and change the meaning of existing ones.
Make a new category to honor those wounded or killed in non military actions. That may include action by military personnel in a non combat zone also.
They already have combat pay, hazardous duty pay, etc. so it's not a new or novel idea.
 
The Department of Defense got caught in a real bind on the Fort Hood terrorist attack. It was a nonstarter to define the incident as "workplace violence", since the perpetrator yelled "Allah Akhbar" as he opened fire.

And, enough folks yelled and screamed until the medals were awarded. However, some folks still have not drawn any VA benefits for their wounds.
 
Then quit sending civilians in harms way with the military.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the civilians shouldn't be recognized. They're just not military and shouldn't get a military medal.

Interesting about being sent in alone, without military escort. When I was going overseas as a DOD civilian, I wasn't going to be allowed to go off base without an armed escort. Must be a different job or organization.

Just to be clear, I didn't get to go. On the first day of C.A.S.T. I broke my right femur and they wouldn't let me go. So, I never got "in country" and all I'm telling here is what I was told by my friend who was already over there.
 
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