Qualifications to Conceal Carry
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Wingmaster
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I like how the law reads in my state. I am just going from memory here, but the way the law reads, you must have a gun.
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riverrat38
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About the same pattern as a 12 ga. defensive shotgun at 7 yards, loaded with double ought buck. In 5 seconds for five rounds.
I think this should be a personal qualification, not a government one.
We aren't doing police work. Just need to carry for personal defense.
Washington State has no qualifications, other than to be a good citizen. Should we need a degree in Divinity to go to our place of Worship? Or, public speaking to exercise our First Amendment rights? I think not!
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Rick
I think this should be a personal qualification, not a government one.
We aren't doing police work. Just need to carry for personal defense.
Washington State has no qualifications, other than to be a good citizen. Should we need a degree in Divinity to go to our place of Worship? Or, public speaking to exercise our First Amendment rights? I think not!
Best,
Rick
"Washington State has no qualifications, other than to be a good citizen. Should we need a degree in Divinity to go to our place of Worship? Or, public speaking to exercise our First Amendment rights? I think not!"
Or should we have a test before you have the right to vote?
Or should we have a test before you have the right to vote?
Washington is a "shall issue" state. If you are 21 or older your local police must issue you a concealed pistol license if they can not find something about you that makes it illegal for you to own a hand gun. Despite that both Seattle and Bellevue created excuses to not issue licenses and had to be sued to force them to comply with the law. Those are good examples of why I'm against giving bureaucrats a way to justify not issuing CPLs. licenses.
Some folks think a pie plate at ten yards is good enough. I suppose it is. I think half a pie plate or smaller is better yet.
But there's a whole heck of a lot more to it than accuracy.
It all starts with situational awareness.
But there's a whole heck of a lot more to it than accuracy.
It all starts with situational awareness.
I support constitutional carry. Having taught Concealed carry classes for more than one state, I believe Government required shooting tests are asinine and ineffective in preventing either accidents or crime.
Classes in laws are informative and useful, but states without shooting requirements have records as good or better than states that do in terms of safety and law compliance.
I believe in personal responsibility and individual training.
Literacy tests to vote were declared unconstitutional, as being a thinly veiled way of denying rights to citizens.
Classes in laws are informative and useful, but states without shooting requirements have records as good or better than states that do in terms of safety and law compliance.
I believe in personal responsibility and individual training.
Literacy tests to vote were declared unconstitutional, as being a thinly veiled way of denying rights to citizens.
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Philadelphia Patriot
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The last time I checked the 2nd amendment doesn't say "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed...as long as you pass a training class."
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First, if you live in "NYC", fuggetaboudit...no concealed carry for you!
Take the required course, know your laws, practice, consider taking extra training and keep practicing. If you do this the "minimum accuracy" concern will take care of itself.
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Not to start yet another firestorm, but the premise "a well regulated militia" could easily be read to imply well-regulated in the sense of trained and competent, so asking that someone prove they know how to use a firearm is not a stretch. The stretch is the application of how to provide that proof.
Most any adult chosen out of the phone book is FAR more qualified than any legislator to determine what level of accuracy is required for the situation in which he finds himself needing a gun to preserve his health. One would hope that he would not use the gun beyond the range at which it would do some good, but whether stray shots will be harmful has a lot to do with the environment, which no lawmaker knows in advance.
The difficult thing for some to grasp is that there are many situations to which the law has no practical relevance, whether it is passed or not, and quite regardless of what words it contains.
This may be one of them.
The difficult thing for some to grasp is that there are many situations to which the law has no practical relevance, whether it is passed or not, and quite regardless of what words it contains.
This may be one of them.
samuelrp
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We had to shoot 35 out of 50 within the outer ring on a target and the instructor counted and measured each hit. One person barely passed. May have been an individual requirement.
LoboGunLeather
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Like it or not, the right to keep and bear arms is exactly that, a RIGHT and not a PRIVILEGE to be exercised only after receiving some government permission.
Training and achieving the highest possible levels of proficiency are good things, but attaching any such requirements amounts to a significant infringement upon the rights of all citizens, and effectively bars some from the free exercise of a constitutionally-guaranteed right.
My $0.02 worth.
Training and achieving the highest possible levels of proficiency are good things, but attaching any such requirements amounts to a significant infringement upon the rights of all citizens, and effectively bars some from the free exercise of a constitutionally-guaranteed right.
My $0.02 worth.
In Texas it's fairly simple. 20 shots at 3 yards, 20 shots at 7 yards, 10 shots at 15 yards. 5 points per shot, all within the 8 ring or better. 7 ring is -1, outside 7 is -2, off the paper is -5. Need 175 out of 250 to pass.
Your average shooter has no problem getting 175. Someone who practices a few times a year could easily achieve a perfect score.
Your average shooter has no problem getting 175. Someone who practices a few times a year could easily achieve a perfect score.
"Or should we have a test before you have the right to vote?"
With the state of the country and O being elected twice, I'd have to say yes STCM.
With the state of the country and O being elected twice, I'd have to say yes STCM.
No firestorm, however, the way I read it is the "well regulated militia" is the goal, not the right. The right is to keep and bear arms so the "possibility", if you will, of a well regulated militia can not be removed by the government.
I don't think the founding fathers expected Americans to maintain a well regulated militia, but wanted to make sure if the government ever became like England did, we'd be able to remove the tyrants because we had the guns and that was something they wouldn't be able to take away. Regulating it would be our job, not the governments.
ibewbull
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I think accuracy requirements open a can of worms.
The physical condition age and so on should not dedicate or not.
Having the tool to do the job is mandatory.
Should good sense and training be advised yes.
If grand pa is getting robbed , beaten and tortured then will [ I ] have ability at that time to group shots. I do not know.
I can say if I am of sound mind I will be armed until the Lord calls me home.
The physical condition age and so on should not dedicate or not.
Having the tool to do the job is mandatory.
Should good sense and training be advised yes.
If grand pa is getting robbed , beaten and tortured then will [ I ] have ability at that time to group shots. I do not know.
I can say if I am of sound mind I will be armed until the Lord calls me home.
Mainsail
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Like most things, there are people who want to make their thing exclusive. I guess it makes them feel bigger or more important. Example: For years ham radio 'elmers' railed against removing the code requirement for getting an amateur radio license. Guns are the same; a person wants the right to carry, but they don't trust that right to just everyone, so they set up hurdles and restrictions that let them pass through, but hold others back.
Any civil right, especially one enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should never require a qualification or a fee to exercise.
Any civil right, especially one enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should never require a qualification or a fee to exercise.
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Whitwabit
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In Illinois The qualification requires that you fire 30 rounds at three different distances. Ten rounds each are fired at 5 yards, 7 yards and 10 yards. Out of the 30 rounds, you must achieve 70% accuracy, which means 21 rounds must hit the black portion of the target. there is also 16 hours of classroom study on laws and basic weapon usage. But no written testing other then the 30 rounds shot.
The Illinois deputy I had as an instructor said the shooting part was more to see safe handling of the weapon then anything .. very easy to hit 70% in an NRA B27 target at those distances.
There is a wide leeway in how and what is taught by different instructors, and some instructors didn't teach the whole 16 hours before signing off on the qualifications and some were disqualified and people had to retake the class. And that got expensive for them with little recourse for getting a refund from those dis-qualified instructors!
8 hours of the class room instruction can be made up with a dd214 or certain NRA safety classes can also be used for 4-8 hours of the credit ..
Was really a joke the shooting part of it .. although one person in the class only shot 80%, the rest shot 95% or better. I wouldn't want to be down range of him if he was shooting at someone. One man brought a pistol he said hadn't been shot in 15-20 years and the instructor wouldn't let him shoot it, unless he had a gun smitty look it over first. He used a 38 the instructor provided, that person had never shot a pistol and passed easily !
I qualified with all 30 rounds within the 8 ring
The Illinois deputy I had as an instructor said the shooting part was more to see safe handling of the weapon then anything .. very easy to hit 70% in an NRA B27 target at those distances.
There is a wide leeway in how and what is taught by different instructors, and some instructors didn't teach the whole 16 hours before signing off on the qualifications and some were disqualified and people had to retake the class. And that got expensive for them with little recourse for getting a refund from those dis-qualified instructors!
8 hours of the class room instruction can be made up with a dd214 or certain NRA safety classes can also be used for 4-8 hours of the credit ..
Was really a joke the shooting part of it .. although one person in the class only shot 80%, the rest shot 95% or better. I wouldn't want to be down range of him if he was shooting at someone. One man brought a pistol he said hadn't been shot in 15-20 years and the instructor wouldn't let him shoot it, unless he had a gun smitty look it over first. He used a 38 the instructor provided, that person had never shot a pistol and passed easily !
I qualified with all 30 rounds within the 8 ring
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