Hello! In Italy is not yet allowed to shoot in competition with red dot, but soon it will be .. so I would like to know which model is more suitable for precision shooting in classic position ( one hand hold) on centerfire I use S&W 52-1, my Idea is the Burris Fastfire III 3 as if
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Hello,
Since you are in Europe, you might consider looking at the excellent DOCTER red dot sight, made in Germany. It mounts low and is quite suitable for precision.
No doubt, you will hear about the big tube red dots, like Aimpoint, etc. Personally, I find they really ruin the nice balance of a well designed precision target pistol.
Best Regards,
Jim
PS: If you could please share some information about the new match rules. Is this specifically something in Italy? Is it for the centerfire match?
Since you are in Europe, you might consider looking at the excellent DOCTER red dot sight, made in Germany. It mounts low and is quite suitable for precision.
No doubt, you will hear about the big tube red dots, like Aimpoint, etc. Personally, I find they really ruin the nice balance of a well designed precision target pistol.
Best Regards,
Jim
PS: If you could please share some information about the new match rules. Is this specifically something in Italy? Is it for the centerfire match?
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gwpercle
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For precision shooting , formerly called Bullseye Match , I find a 3 min. dot best . The larger the dot the more of the target it covers which I find can lead to less pin point accuracy .
Aim small , shoot small groups.
You may find your scores drop at first , the red dot shows every movement, with a little practice your scores will improve and most shoot better with the RD .
I have used a now discontinued Millet SP-1 for 20 years , 1" tube type with 3 min. dot . The Burris Fast Fires seem so much tidier , I'm sure it with your S&W 52-1 will be a great combo.
Gary
Aim small , shoot small groups.
You may find your scores drop at first , the red dot shows every movement, with a little practice your scores will improve and most shoot better with the RD .
I have used a now discontinued Millet SP-1 for 20 years , 1" tube type with 3 min. dot . The Burris Fast Fires seem so much tidier , I'm sure it with your S&W 52-1 will be a great combo.
Gary
I have both a Burris FastFire 2 and 3. either one will serve you fine, but the 3 has manually select able brightness levels, and is a 3 minute dot which I also recommend for precision shooting. I'm 78, and without a red dot I would have quite any competition 25 years ago. I still do some bullseye competition.
I am not a huge fan of the Burris FastFires, Vortex, etc, micro red dots for precision shooting. I believe a tube is superior.
However, mounting a traditional tube (Ultradot 25) on a Model 52 requires drilling the frame for a mount. Ouch! And then, of course, you're stuck with your sights attached to the frame, which is widely regarded as inferior to slide-mounted sights.
A good mini-tube would work well, and mount (relatively) easily to the 52. There are various models, including the popular Trijicon MRO. Check out Bullseye-L forum for more discussion on optics.
That said, the Trijicon MRO, and other high-end mini-tubes, are somewhat pricey even here--$400 or so for the MRO. I have no idea what the exchange rates and importation would do to the price in Italia.
A third option would be to acquire one of several popular European-made bullseye and International Rapid Fire pistols, most of which have provisions made for mounting modern optics.
However, mounting a traditional tube (Ultradot 25) on a Model 52 requires drilling the frame for a mount. Ouch! And then, of course, you're stuck with your sights attached to the frame, which is widely regarded as inferior to slide-mounted sights.
A good mini-tube would work well, and mount (relatively) easily to the 52. There are various models, including the popular Trijicon MRO. Check out Bullseye-L forum for more discussion on optics.
That said, the Trijicon MRO, and other high-end mini-tubes, are somewhat pricey even here--$400 or so for the MRO. I have no idea what the exchange rates and importation would do to the price in Italia.
A third option would be to acquire one of several popular European-made bullseye and International Rapid Fire pistols, most of which have provisions made for mounting modern optics.
Follow up to my earlier post, attached is pic of S&W 952 with a Docter sight.
The only parallax free reflex sight, 5 yr warranty, optical grade glass lens (not plastic).
You can see the thin mount plate between the sight and the slide. It is possible to mill the slide so the dot sits just over the bore line. Even with the mount, though, it's lower than a tube.
I've used them. Nice.
The only parallax free reflex sight, 5 yr warranty, optical grade glass lens (not plastic).
You can see the thin mount plate between the sight and the slide. It is possible to mill the slide so the dot sits just over the bore line. Even with the mount, though, it's lower than a tube.
I've used them. Nice.
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All red dot sights have some degree of parallax, at some given range. It is possible to have a 'dot sight that is parallax-free, however, at critical distances like 50 feet, 25 yards, or 50 yards. Alternatively, you could have a sight that has circular parallax at your chosen distance, but not enough to matter except on X-count.
The majority of the guys I compete with in formal Bullseye rimfire run red dots. The majority of them run various UltraDot models, including me. Mine is on a pimped our Ruger Mark III. On my back-up 22/45 I use a budget Bushnell TRS-25. I'm building a FrankenRuger and need to find a silver red dot, and selection is pretty slim. Probably an UltraDot 25 in silver. Ultradot USA Home Lifetime warranty, no paperwork needed. You can also buy refresh kits with new adjustment and battery housing caps and O-rings.
Many of these guys are state/regional champs, and are nationally ranked. I keep my mouth shut, listen and learn. But I am fast becoming the go-to Ruger guy though.
Many of these guys are state/regional champs, and are nationally ranked. I keep my mouth shut, listen and learn. But I am fast becoming the go-to Ruger guy though.
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It's already going to be a blued Mark II lower with a stainless Comp slabside Mark II upper. Altamont mark III grips and the old school Ruger rail with those odd Ruger rings.
JKN
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Ultradots can be mounted without modification.
As a Bullseye shooter I find the tube sights more accurate than the new Doctor/Fastfire types. Mine is mounted on a BME rear sight adapter mount that required no additional machining.
I was worried about durability and stability but I mounted the scope 15 yrs ago and haven't touched it since. It is a great gun to shoot but it does take a very, very long time to cycle with the additional mass on the slide which can feel a little odd.
As a Bullseye shooter I find the tube sights more accurate than the new Doctor/Fastfire types. Mine is mounted on a BME rear sight adapter mount that required no additional machining.
I was worried about durability and stability but I mounted the scope 15 yrs ago and haven't touched it since. It is a great gun to shoot but it does take a very, very long time to cycle with the additional mass on the slide which can feel a little odd.
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