Revolver or Ammo failure?

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I probably need to contact customer service as I recently sent in my 629 that I'd shot exactly 9 times before it locked up. I sent the fired cases in along with the revolver. It was all factory loaded ammo - no reloads. I got the firearm back today and the verdict was "Punctured Primer". There was no more dialoque provided by S&W so I'm left in a conundrum as to whether it was the fault of the revolver or the fault of the ammo. If it was a problem caused by the revolver, a little more information would have been helpful and if it were a problem with the ammo, I'd like to visit with them.

Guess I'll just shoot anemic ammo in it until I decide to trade it in on a super redhawk or something else that will shoot factory ammo without a problem.
 
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I'm not totally sure... but think that a punctured primer with a magnum may indicate higher than normal chamber pressure and/or softer than it should be primer which are ammo related. Try different ammo.
 
That was a strange NON-response from S&W!

Surely the gaged the firing pin protrusion, examined the recoil shield and firing pin tip for erosion and damage? And maybe test-fired it again? They didn't tell you ANYTHING?
 
That was a strange NON-response from S&W!

Surely the gaged the firing pin protrusion, examined the recoil shield and firing pin tip for erosion and damage? And maybe test-fired it again? They didn't tell you ANYTHING?

Other than punctured primer which they listed as the customer complaint, this is what they said.

Repaired: Replace Firing Pin
Repaired: Replace Bushing
 
If there was no apparent issue with any of the other rounds fired it is more likely an ammunition issue.

A punctured primer can result in damage to the firing pin/hammer nose and the hammer nose bushing.

If there is any issue with the revolver that caused the failure it involves the hammer nose and or hammer nose bushing.

S&W sends all repaired guns back to the range for function firing to insure they function correctly before returning them to the customer.

They replaced all parts that could have been damaged by, or caused the perforated primer and then test fired the gun.

What else would you expect them to have done?????????
 
There are some issues with the frame mounted firing pins you should be aware of. IMO the benefits outweigh the issues so it's not a problem as long as you are aware of how these firing pins can be damaged.

1) Snap caps and dry firing. I know, the manual doesn't state that snap caps are needed but I think the manual is WRONG. With the factory firing pin the forward position is controlled by the pin that restrains it in the frame. As a result, every time you drop the hammer without a snap cap or live round in the cylinder the firing pin strikes that retaining pin. Dry fire a lot with a factory firing pin and there are 2 possible results.

One is that the firing pin will break in the middle. If that were to happen during live fire the front end could pierce a primer.

Two, the retaining pin could shatter or bend. If that happens it could cause the firing pin to jam in the forward position because the return spring is rather weak. As for that shattered or bent retaining pin, removing it will likely require Wire EDM machining, a process I expect would run about 100 dollars.

2) Use of aftermarket firing pins. There are non factory firing pins available in extended lengths that also feature extended travel notches. These work very well in a revolver that has had the mainspring tension reduced but are an invitation for a pierced primer in a revolver with mainspring tension at factory original levels. I use these firing pins and they provide perfectly reliable ignition with reduced DA trigger pulls but I would NEVER use these firing pins in a revolver with full factory mainspring tension. Bascially, if you want an 8 lbs. or less DA trigger they are a great choice, however with any trigger set to more than 9 lbs. you're inviting a pierced primer. Below you'll find drawings that I made after measuring the factory firing pin and a Cylinder & Slide firing pin, note the length and position for the notch for the retaining pin.

Now, I'm not saying that either of these factors had any effect in your issue, you've never mentioned if you had dry fired your 629 extensively before taking it to the range. If you didn't, the most likely cause was pure bad luck. You may have got a firing pin that had an internal flaw that wasn't visible, fact is these parts are NOT X-Rayed for internal flaws and we couldn't afford these guns if they were. It's even more likely that you had a primer cup that had a similar non visible flaw. The simple truth is that commercially produced steel can have hidden internal inclusions in it and on rare occasions we get "bit" by the results. The good news is that it's pretty rare today but it can happen.
 

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What else would you expect them to have done?????????

Alk, I don't have an issue with what they've done. They repaired it under warranty which is all fine and good.

The point I am making is that I'm left without knowing which failed. The ammo or the revolver. With a tad bit more knowledge about what failed and should it have been the ammo, I could contact the manufacturer of that ammo with date codes and such and let them know that they have a potential issue. That could save some other poor soul from having to go through the same scenario.
 
At this point there isn't any way to be sure. I have a strong hunch that it was a defective primer and S&W replaced the firing pin and bushing just to be certain they weren't damaged by this event.

As for the possibility of a defective lot of ammunition, you have to keep in mind that primers are produced into the billions and shared across many calibers. I don't think you'll find any ammunition manufacturer who will recall many lots of ammunition due to one defective primer. In fact I doubt if you'll even find them concerned about a 1 in a billion failure rate in a primer. Worst case is the gun won't shoot or gets tied up. What worries ammo manufacturers is when guns start getting blown up due to an overload mistake on the line, then they get real interested and issue recalls right quick.
 
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