Ruger SP101

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A while back I was considering getting a Charter Bulldog. I rather liked the features of the gun: good price, 44 Special, compact stainless steel wheel gun. However the quality really turned me off. Since then I have been looking for a better alternative, and keep coming back to the SP101. I love S&W but the J-frames are just too hard get my hands around at times. I see the SP101 comes in many variations. .38 or .357 Magnum, 2 or 3 inch, SA/DA or DAO. I also like the small GP100 with the 3 inch half shroud, but they do seem more like my 4 inch M19 in size. Anyone one have any advice on these Ruger small frames? And yes, the LCR38 and LCR357 look nice but too plastic for me!
 
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I had a 3" barrel .357mag. It was a very early production one that I picked up used soon after they had just came out. The trigger pull was pretty heavy, and frankly sucked. The later production guns have a much better trigger and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another if it were newish.

It shot well, though the trigger sucked. Recoil was relatively tame for such a small gun, due to the weight and the 3" barrel. If it had a better trigger on that one, I would have probably kept it. I found the OEM grips very comfortable for me. The gun itself was kinda heavy, but it's a stainless steel Ruger, so that wasn't exactly a shock.

I've been kicking around the idea of getting a .327FedMag. The LGS has two of them, both 4", and the idea of buying one is growing on me.
 
I have a love/hate relationship with the SP101. I've had three of them, a 2.25" 357, 3" 357 and a 2.25" 38 Special. I think they're nice looking revolvers and that's what kept me coming back but the triggers are HEAVY and do not respond as well to action tuning as other larger Ruger revolvers like the GP100 or Super Redhawk. The geometry of the action is just limited. In the end I sold off the two 357s and have kept the 38 Special but I never carry it or shoot it. Too many better options. The SP101 is a heavy gun for it's size. That weight helps tame the recoil and 357 is pleasant enough in small package but IMO it's too heavy to pocket carry and if I'm going to carry in a holster I would rather just go a bit larger and carry something with more capacity. Just my own preference.

I love my 637 (TALO PC version with action tuning from the factory) and the 637 is a big reason why the SP101 stays in the safe. Lighter, accurate and easy to stick in the pocket of my shorts (my year-round attire down here.)

I'm not bashing the SP101 - it's a nice looking little piece and with the Badger boot grip I actually like the way it balances and feels in my hand. I've invested a good deal of effort into these trying to make them the best they can be. Here's the 2.25" SP101 that I still have.



I changed the barrel profile, contoured the cylinder, softened the edges, upgraded the front sight to an XS tritium dot, removed the annoying MIM line up the back of the hammer, polished the internals, Wollf springs, bead blasted the exterior and swapped the grip for the Badger boot grip. It's the nicest SP101 I've yet encountered but still......
 
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I also recommend the same gun Ralph7 has. I have the 2.25" DAO version that I picked up used a few weeks ago, mainly for my wife since she is starting to finally realize she'd better start getting into the CCW game. I've shot it a couple times and with .38 practice loads the recoil is surprisingly light and it's a fun gun to shoot. The recoil didn't bother my wife either. I was looking for a model 36 but a good specimen was out my desired price range, so I picked this up instead. I think it's a great gun for the money!!
 
Great gun; I shot one for several years. But I did give it a trigger job. I like the SP101 for reasons posted previous-a little larger and heavier than the J frame, so easier to shoot, but it is HEAVY. Now I carry and shoot what is IMO the best compromise; a 2" Model 10:)
 
Love mine-Was a gift from a dear friend (and family Doctor) some 25 years ago when they first came out. Good smooth double action. Only issue is that it is a heavy little beast-unsuitable for pants pocket carry. But it does snug well in a winter jacket. I'd pick an SP101 over a steel J frame any day.
 
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I've had a 3" barreled SP-101 for a couple of years. Yes, it is a bit heavy for it's size, but that does help some with recoil. Yep, the heft and 3" barrel do not allow it to be pocket carried. I usually use and offset clip IWB from Lobo. The action on mine seems fine. A tad heavy, but smooth. I purchased it used and have no idea if anything has been done to it. I too switched to a set of Badger boot grips. They just seem to fit me better.
 
I have a DAO with 2 1/4" barrel. I had a trigger job done on it and it is a dream to shoot. It was my first of many snub revolvers. I carried it for a while but it was just too heavy. I picked up a 637, and got very quickly hooked on Smith's.

I've thought about getting rid if it since my Smith's have now multiplied many times over, but it is nice to shoot a small snubby that takes the recoil and heavy rounds as well as the SP101.

If I found a good deal on another, I'd probably pick it up.
 
I've had two SP101's..... a 2 1/4" in 357 mag and a 3" in 38 spl. Both were earlier guns, before MIM (1994 and 1989, respectively). I liked the size, balance, weight, etc. A little lighter than a K-frame. A bit more concealable. I loved the modular design and the "built like a tank" robustness.

BUT.

1) The barrels were slightly over-clocked on both guns, so they had a tendency to shoot a few inches to the left. I never did address this issue, because it would have been costly.

2) The triggers were much heavier than my K-frames, although smooth. The modular trigger group is a bit complex....and I shied away from pulling it apart to do a trigger job. So, I did not do anything about this, except shoot the guns.

3) The cylinder throats were way undersized (around 0.355") which played havoc with accuracy and with shooting cast bullets. I enlarged these to a little over 0.357" on both guns, which improved things a lot, but.....

4) The forcing cones were cut at only 5 degrees, which created a serious leading problem with cast bullets - they were really only suitable for jacketed. The FC on the 2 1/4" gun was cut excessively deep - over 1/2" - and could not be re-cut (without creating a step, so it was pointless). The FC on the 3" gun was "normal", so I re-cut it to 11 degrees. Most of the leading/ inaccuracy problems then disappeared - with THAT gun.

In the end, though I got the 3" SP101 running pretty well, it still shot left, because of the over-clocked barrel. Besides, the trigger was by no means as nice as those of my K-frames. I finally decided, after all of that, that I'd had the "right" guns all along - my 3" K-frames. So, I sold off the SP101's - and I really haven't regretted it.
 
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I'd echo what the others have said. I've got a 2.25" DAO, and it's a great little tank. It's a nice quality gun (unlike the Charter Bulldog, IMO), has a nice smooth action, and the grip on it really does a nice job of taming recoil.

It is heavy, so if you are thinking of carrying it all day, I'd look for a quality holster, and you'd be fine. The heft does soak up the recoil. I like a gun that's a little heavy. Full power .357s are a breeze to shoot... I've got an all stainless Ladysmith snubby that will put a hurt to your hand with the same loads, never mind the lightweight alloy Smith snubs!

The SP101 makes a good truck gun, house gun, or throw it in your jacket pocket gun. With its 5 round capacity and heft, I suppose there are 'better' options for these uses, but it's good to know that if you run out of ammo in a self-defense situation, you can always club the other guy in the head with it! ��
 
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I too have the SP 101 2.25 inch in .357 mag. I iwb carry it in a sticky holster without any problem. .38s are a real pleasure to shoot and .357s are very manageable. Mine also shoots a little to the left. Don't expect a S&W trigger on them though. All in all I carry it often and shoot it often. I think you'd enjoy one.
 
Every time I have owned a gun made by a company other than S&W, except for Walther, I have always sold it and come back to S&W. This will change now that most pistols are DAO. I have a few pistols made by other manufacturers that are DA/SA that I like. I do not like DAO, and do not understand the change, or why it was done? I like S&W revolvers, and regret selling some to buy the semi-auto pistols. I am now trying to get them back.
 
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It's a good gun! I bought one for my wife to carry; and, other than the annoying message to, 'Read the instruction manual' on the barrel, I have no complaints. I had a local smith do an action job on it; and the action is smooth enough for my wife to shoot decent groups with. Me? I shoot good groups with it; and, while the SP-101 doesn't have quite as responsive a trigger as an S&W factory standard, Ruger's trigger is NOT excessively difficult to work with. (You get used to it!)

What you have to watch with Ruger is the exact same thing you have to watch with a lot of brand new Smith & Wesson revolvers: ....... QUALITY CONTROL. I've heard rumors that Ruger has no quality control; they simply allow the customers to verify their pistols for them; and, based on samples I've handled at a local gun store, I'd say that, indeed, Ruger has no quality control; or, at least, no sophisticated quality control. So, initial inspection of a brand new Ruger (or Smith) before you buy it is particularly important.

Yes, it's true! When we set out to purchase a new SP-101 I found them with things like canted barrels, and excessive cylinder end-shake. In fact I was on my second brand new and factory replaced SP-101 BEFORE I called Steve Sanetti to complain. The third SP-101 I received was perfect, and has worked like a charm!

It's not uncommon for me to do a 50 to 100 fired-round range session with this pistol. Between my wife and myself we'll fire this smallish (but not little) Ruger until it's, literally, way too hot to touch with bare skin! So far, with less than 1,000 fired-rounds through the gun, it's never so much as hiccuped! The SP-101 we finally ended up with does shoot straight and well.

It's a 357 Magnum, and has never fired anything except hot, and mid-range 357 Magnum loads. I consider it to be an excellent 10 to 12 yard self-defense revolver - Which is especially important to me because, in a life or death CQB pistol combat situation, I train to engage sooner and at greater distance than what is usually expected. (In other words I try to prevent the other guy from stepping into his own, 'personal combat comfort zone' first, and before I do.)

As far as the trigger goes, I like the trigger on my wife's, now 9 year old (no MIM seams!) SP-101 better than I liked any of the factory-stock triggers on new Glock pistols that I've purchased; and this is especially true of the latest trigger bars that Glock is using on their more recently manufactured pistols - The trigger bars with the more severe (but safer) angles on their striker lug, ‘slip tabs'.

Personally I wouldn't own a small frame revolver with a 2 1/2 inch barrel. Why? Because such a short barrel is too difficult to shoot straight at the longer distances I prefer to engage at; and, whenever I'm not well practiced, the preceding statement includes me, too. On such a modest sized revolver I, far and away, prefer to use a: longer, straighter shooting, and easier to control, 3 inch barrel.

As everybody is learning: Nowadays the, 'mutts' tend to run in packs; and the first time you have to simultaneously engage more than one opponent you'll appreciate the practicality of having a longer rather than a shorter barrel. This is especially true whenever you become engaged by a second attacker who has the street savvy to further disadvantage you by hanging back, or to obliquely, ‘three-quarter’ you while his pal gets up close and personal, ‘in your face’. (This is exactly the same, ‘interview technique’ that many police officers use.)

A Ruger SP-101 with a 3 inch barrel is somewhere between a disadvantageous small frame, and a standard frame, ‘combat revolver’ - Which in today’s increasingly godless, increasingly violent, and increasingly confrontational world has become an obvious oxymoron. I like my wife’s SP-101 (Which I sometimes borrow.) enough that it’ll never be for sale.

Yes, an SP-101 is too heavy for comfortable pocket carry; but, then again, I’m never comfortable pocket carrying anything larger than a Beretta, ‘Tomcat’. What the SP-101 is NOT is either too light, or too ill-proportioned to adequately and effectively defend yourself with; and, really, when everything is finally said and done, isn’t versatile, more broad based self-defense the whole point to carrying a pistol in the first place! ;)

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I bought a DAO, bobbed hammer version brand for my son's 21st B'day. Took him to the range and he shot poorly with it. I tried and on a few chambers the trigger was very hard to pull on some rounds, if you could pull it at all. Sent it back to Ruger and they replaced the "D" bushing and it was GTG then.

Like Arc Angel said, I think they QC is pretty slack and they let the buying public do some of their R&D/QC for them. I also had to return a new GP 100 because the stainless finish was horrible. After only a few days it was back to me tho, which tells me they've seen it before and have the routine down on fix and return. Not meaning to slam Ruger of course...
 
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I've had four SP101's over the years ( 357, 38spl, 9mm and .22). All were solid revolvers that I truly wanted to love. That said, despite solid build, all had only "OK" fit and finish that needed attention. More of an issue, all needed extensive trigger work to get them acceptable (but still not on par with a tuned S&W). Lastly, grip choice was a bit more limited than with a S&W. Long story short, they are all gone and/or replaced by their S&W counterparts.
Based on my experience, if your goal is for a good carry gun, I'd skip the learning curve and go right for a alloy S&W J frame of one flavor or another..
 
I've owned two - the first a 2.25" .357 back in the late '90s (awful trigger) and the second a newer 3" .357 that's a keeper (great trigger).

These things are tanks (I happily shoot mine with my most powerful handloads) - the 5-shot .357s are strong as the dickens and they carry light and skinny (wonderful for hikes up the mountain). I'm partial to the 3" tube to get some legs under the .357 loading and find it carries perfectly easily IWB - and I've not found that even the short SP-101s carried well in the pocket (the fantastic stocks are too grippy for the pocket, and the gun itself is large-ish - the same exact size as a 6-shot D-frame Colt . . . in fact, the SP works great in my Detective Special holsters).

Just to note - the 3" is a lot skinnier but not all that much smaller than the old 6-shot Speed Six .357:
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I found that the trigger guards of both my SPs to be very sharp: I filed off the sharp bits (as well as the sharp corners of the hammer) and found them much more pleasant to shoot.
 
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Back in the 80s when the SP came out the 38 didn't do much for me as I was carrying a Colt DS off duty and a Model 19 on duty.

But when they brought out the SP in 357 and DAO I bought one. I rarely shoot a revolver SA unless it i a 44.

Put a Meprolight night sight on the gun and had the action tuned and sprung. Carried it in a Bianchi rig with a second six in a belt slide by De Santis. Qualified with 357s and carried this gun for off duty and some plainclothes work.

Leap forward to 2015, just purchased a WC model SP101, fired 15 rds of 38s in it and the face of the cylinder was dragging so hard on the forcing cone that I shipped the gun back to Ruger on their dime. That was 10 days ago and Fed EX sent an email yesterday that the SP was on its way back to me!

Bottom line I will have the WC tuned and will carry it on occasion as it is a great 357 platform. I love snubbies and carry them and admire the engineering in them. Smiths, I have one snubby a 442 no lock, the rest are different makes and from different eras.

Your SPs are hell for stout and will serve you well.
 
Great thread, some VERRY savvy posters here. Make a good round-table discussion. Most seem to agree the 101 is a good gun, but... The original guns in .38 suffered from weak trigger return function. This I both read and heard personally from 2 NYPD officers. This has been corrected, IMO.

The 101 has two distinct trigger pulls, strange that this sounds: One when dry-firing at home, and the second under live fire. I don't know why I let this bother me; I can handle mag loads in my 60 and 340s without difficulty, I don't flinch on these guns. An LEO buddy on this Forum tells me he concentrates on sight picture and simply "pulls through." Must try this.

It seems to be a gun we like in most cases, yet it suffers from not being a Smith, if I read the above posters correctly. It also seems to be one that if we sell, we wish we hadn't.

Kaaskop49
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Back in the 80s when the SP came out the 38 didn't do much for me as I was carrying a Colt DS off duty and a Model 19 on duty.

But when they brought out the SP in 357 and DAO I bought one. I rarely shoot a revolver SA unless it i a 44.

Put a Meprolight night sight on the gun and had the action tuned and sprung. Carried it in a Bianchi rig with a second six in a belt slide by De Santis. Qualified with 357s and carried this gun for off duty and some plainclothes work.

Leap forward to 2015, just purchased a WC model SP101, fired 15 rds of 38s in it and the face of the cylinder was dragging so hard on the forcing cone that I shipped the gun back to Ruger on their dime. That was 10 days ago and Fed EX sent an email yesterday that the SP was on its way back to me!

Bottom line I will have the WC tuned and will carry it on occasion as it is a great 357 platform. I love snubbies and carry them and admire the engineering in them. Smiths, I have one snubby a 442 no lock, the rest are different makes and from different eras.

Your SPs are hell for stout and will serve you well.

For the life of me, what is a "WC model?" So I don't know everything! Stay safe, partner.

Kaaskop49
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