Russian Ammo
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I guess since the cold war disappeared so to speak their QC went to hell! Off to the gulag with them I say!!
Glad you caught it not only for your personal safety but its too fine a revolver to ruin.
Glad you caught it not only for your personal safety but its too fine a revolver to ruin.
1 old 0311
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Say AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
flop-shank
US Veteran
I'm glad all is well. I never buy russian ammo.scooter123
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Maybe you should drill a hole in the bullet and glue in a small flag that say's "BANG" as a reminder to not cheap out on ammo.
alaskavett
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Lets be fair here I HAVE seen this with ammo manufactured here in what you used to be able to call America. **** happens, it is a reminder to be careful at all times. Kyle
Texas1941
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What you see there was once a fairly well known occurrence with US 1917 revolvers and Smith 1917s in particular. I remember some of the old guys talking about it in the '60s. The problem occurred most often with GI ball.
Everyone that I heard mention it had a different opinion about what caused it. Some said the shallow rifling was difficult for the jacketed bullet to engage and the bullet skipped, letting gas blow by. Others said that a BC gap that was a little large would let too much gas escape. Some said that the jackets on WWI ammo was too hard to take the rifling.
I don't know what the GI ammo of the period (say WWI to the '40s) was loaded to, but I've chronographed a lot of GI ball from the 50's through the Viet Nam era and most of it ran just a little over 800 fps out of a GI 1911 or 1911A1, with of course a lot of gun to gun variation.
I've never run any of the Russian ammo over the machine so I don't know how it's loaded.
It seems there was a mention of this in one of the gun rags in the last year or so, maybe a letter to the editor or something like that, but I don't remember which one.
Charles
Everyone that I heard mention it had a different opinion about what caused it. Some said the shallow rifling was difficult for the jacketed bullet to engage and the bullet skipped, letting gas blow by. Others said that a BC gap that was a little large would let too much gas escape. Some said that the jackets on WWI ammo was too hard to take the rifling.
I don't know what the GI ammo of the period (say WWI to the '40s) was loaded to, but I've chronographed a lot of GI ball from the 50's through the Viet Nam era and most of it ran just a little over 800 fps out of a GI 1911 or 1911A1, with of course a lot of gun to gun variation.
I've never run any of the Russian ammo over the machine so I don't know how it's loaded.
It seems there was a mention of this in one of the gun rags in the last year or so, maybe a letter to the editor or something like that, but I don't remember which one.
Charles
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Long, long ago I heard you should ONLY use Russian ammo in Russian made guns. I follow that line 100%
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phenson
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I don't think it has anything to do with rifling. Pretty sure the round had no powder or very little in it from the sound. I think the primer shot the round that far up the barrel. As far as Russin ammo in Russian guns, you my have a point there.
It was a squib, for goodness sake. No leaking gas or hard jackets.
Back in the day, with military ammo, we encountered squibs and a not insignificant number of missing, cocked, and inverted primers in all small arms calibers. The ammo came from all of the military producers. Without going into the whole story, the main problem was simply what you would expect, QC was weak and runny. I imagine the Russkies are no better.
Back in the day, with military ammo, we encountered squibs and a not insignificant number of missing, cocked, and inverted primers in all small arms calibers. The ammo came from all of the military producers. Without going into the whole story, the main problem was simply what you would expect, QC was weak and runny. I imagine the Russkies are no better.
Krull
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I've used everything from Wolf to those white-boxed stuff with the factory stamp on it in all kinds of guns and never had much trouble,couple of no fires but that's it.
Even ran some Wolf steel case through the 4506,ate it right up.
It's just something that can happen,I get irritated with people riding Russian ammo down,mostly on the old patriot game of "them damn commies!"
It works,all I can note is it's dirty as hell compared to most US or Western European ammo,if you feel so strongly about Russian stuff being crap then,please,stop shooting surplus-that stuff is a real chance shoot!
Stay cool
Even ran some Wolf steel case through the 4506,ate it right up.
It's just something that can happen,I get irritated with people riding Russian ammo down,mostly on the old patriot game of "them damn commies!"
It works,all I can note is it's dirty as hell compared to most US or Western European ammo,if you feel so strongly about Russian stuff being crap then,please,stop shooting surplus-that stuff is a real chance shoot!
Stay cool
mkk41
US Veteran
Perhaps it was meant for export to France. Ammo just powerful enough to push the white flag out the end of the barrel.
Harrison
US Veteran
Probably a one in a million round. Normally Russian ammo is top notch. Russian chemistry is good and their primers are great. Some of their target ammo is unbeatable. At one time our olympic team was considering shooting Russian 22s because their target 22RF was so much better than anything produced in the USA.
setxn
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I think you got the batch made for a 4 inch barrel instead of the 6 inch batch.
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