S&W 4006 (.40) or Walther P99 (9mm) ?

[PX15]

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I'm actually deciding between a P99 9mm AS and an M&P40 right now. If I had the money I'd buy both...they're both excellent platforms. The M&P does have some useful features that the P99 doesn't (picatinny rail namely) but the P99 offers the DA/SA trigger. It's a matter of personal preference. The P99 is, however, far too expensive new compared to the M&P or Glock.[/QUOTE]


JMOfartO:

I just sold my Walther P99/AS (w/4 mags) to a buddy two weeks ago for $475.00. It was in "like new" condition w/less than 100rds fired through it. I think if you kept an eye on the WTS ads on the various firearm forums you could find one at a reasonable price.

Another buddy has the SW99 which IS the same pistol as the Walther P99 with the exception the barrel and slide are mfg by S&W and his SW99 is every bit as reliable and accurate as my P99 was. It has the same "AS" trigger, (but it's not called that), and CDNN is selling the SW99 in 40cal (which I don't care for)"New, Test fired Only", which should qualify as a new pistol and should be covered by S&W's life warranty. (Walthers are warranted for 1 yr. only by S&W CS). Price in the current CDNN catalog for the SW99 in this condition and caliber is $349.99 w/night sights and one 12rd. mag.

If you like 40cal. this is a lot of gun for the money.

Just a thought.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by PX15:
I don't want one, just from what I read it's not that great a platform

Heve you even shot one?

WE:

Actually no I haven't. My comments were made just repeating what I've read on the various firearm forums, but in hindsight I let myself be led into a discussion on a subject of which I have NO personal practical experience because of my love and history with 3rd gen Smiths.

So basically, "I know NOT, firsthand, of that which I speak" and my apologies for doing so.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by PX15:

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by PX15:
I don't want one, just from what I read it's not that great a platform

Heve you even shot one?

WE:

Actually no I haven't. My comments were made just repeating what I've read on the various firearm forums, but in hindsight I let myself be led into a discussion on a subject of which I have NO personal practical experience because of my love and history with 3rd gen Smiths.

So basically, "I know NOT, firsthand, of that which I speak" and my apologies for doing so.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

I don't sell them, so no skin off my back. But you would do well to try one at least before pronouncing it a POS.

I do own a 915 on which I have plenty of trigger time. The M&P is simpler to use (no decockers/safety, no magazine disconmnect, and no two different trigger pulls), just as accurate if not more so, just as reliable, and most importantly, can be made to fit my hand. Something that cannot be said for any other S&W-designed handgun.

 

[MattB]

Originally posted by PX15:

I'm actually deciding between a P99 9mm AS and an M&P40 right now. If I had the money I'd buy both...they're both excellent platforms. The M&P does have some useful features that the P99 doesn't (picatinny rail namely) but the P99 offers the DA/SA trigger. It's a matter of personal preference. The P99 is, however, far too expensive new compared to the M&P or Glock.[/QUOTE]


JMOfartO:

I just sold my Walther P99/AS (w/4 mags) to a buddy two weeks ago for $475.00. It was in "like new" condition w/less than 100rds fired through it. I think if you kept an eye on the WTS ads on the various firearm forums you could find one at a reasonable price.

Another buddy has the SW99 which IS the same pistol as the Walther P99 with the exception the barrel and slide are mfg by S&W and his SW99 is every bit as reliable and accurate as my P99 was. It has the same "AS" trigger, (but it's not called that), and CDNN is selling the SW99 in 40cal (which I don't care for)"New, Test fired Only", which should qualify as a new pistol and should be covered by S&W's life warranty. (Walthers are warranted for 1 yr. only by S&W CS). Price in the current CDNN catalog for the SW99 in this condition and caliber is $349.99 w/night sights and one 12rd. mag.

If you like 40cal. this is a lot of gun for the money.

Just a thought.

Best Wishes,

Jesse[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the information. The P99 I'm looking at is slightly used, but doesn't seem to have been fired much. Everything is included that originally came with it as well as a Safariland paddle holster. The store has it on consignment at $550 but I'm inclined to offer $450 and see what happens. And if they say no I'll buy a new M&P and get the two free mags. Also from what I've read and been told S&W will fix P99s as if they were fully warranteed SW99s. I've even heard of them doing free repairs on some early ones imported by Interarms.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by MattB:

Originally posted by PX15:

I'm actually deciding between a P99 9mm AS and an M&P40 right now. If I had the money I'd buy both...they're both excellent platforms. The M&P does have some useful features that the P99 doesn't (picatinny rail namely) but the P99 offers the DA/SA trigger. It's a matter of personal preference. The P99 is, however, far too expensive new compared to the M&P or Glock.

JMOfartO:

I just sold my Walther P99/AS (w/4 mags) to a buddy two weeks ago for $475.00. It was in "like new" condition w/less than 100rds fired through it. I think if you kept an eye on the WTS ads on the various firearm forums you could find one at a reasonable price.

Another buddy has the SW99 which IS the same pistol as the Walther P99 with the exception the barrel and slide are mfg by S&W and his SW99 is every bit as reliable and accurate as my P99 was. It has the same "AS" trigger, (but it's not called that), and CDNN is selling the SW99 in 40cal (which I don't care for)"New, Test fired Only", which should qualify as a new pistol and should be covered by S&W's life warranty. (Walthers are warranted for 1 yr. only by S&W CS). Price in the current CDNN catalog for the SW99 in this condition and caliber is $349.99 w/night sights and one 12rd. mag.

If you like 40cal. this is a lot of gun for the money.

Just a thought.

Best Wishes,

Jesse[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the information. The P99 I'm looking at is slightly used, but doesn't seem to have been fired much. Everything is included that originally came with it as well as a Safariland paddle holster. The store has it on consignment at $550 but I'm inclined to offer $450 and see what happens. And if they say no I'll buy a new M&P and get the two free mags. Also from what I've read and been told S&W will fix P99s as if they were fully warranteed SW99s. I've even heard of them doing free repairs on some early ones imported by Interarms.[/QUOTE]


FWIW:

Smith & Wesson is the importer for the P99's and will do any necessary warranty work on P99's. I never had a problem with either my P99/AS or compact P99c/AS.. They were both 100% reliable and extremely accurate right out of the box.

I had less luck with a new PPS which was a POS but S&W replaced it with a new PPS which I sold.

You will be very happy with any "AS" Walther I believe.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[PX15]

I don't sell them, so no skin off my back. But you would do well to try one at least before pronouncing it a POS.

I do own a 915 on which I have plenty of trigger time. The M&P is simpler to use (no decockers/safety, no magazine disconmnect, and no two different trigger pulls), just as accurate if not more so, just as reliable, and most importantly, can be made to fit my hand. Something that cannot be said for any other S&W-designed handgun. [/quote]



WE:

Well first let me thank you for your classy acceptance of my apology.

Then,

I NEVER called the M&P a "POS". YOU said that the M&P was superior to both the 3rd generation Smiths AND the Walther P99/AS and I took exception to that, but I NEVER called it a POS.

I do NOT think the M&P is superior to the Walther P99/AS.. For all I know the M&P MIGHT have superior qualities that make it somehow better than the 3rd gen Smiths, but those you mentioned are NOT improvements for MY taste.

I am a senior citizen and I've come to the place in my life where the OPTION of an external safety is a good thing. I have never had a problem with a mag. disconnect.. It seems a mag disconnect is just a personal perference thing.. You either like it or not, personally I'm just fine with it. And the "two different trigger pulls deal" is my PREFERENCE. I like having a heavier first round trigger pull which I use as my safety in the same manner I have used the first round DA trigger pull on my revolvers for forty-five years or so. The heavier first round DA keeps me from having an AD under stress but offers me the lighter followup shots with SA.

Finally we all have our personal choices in everything from ice cream flavors to firearms and you and I just see differently on the M&P vs the 3rd gen Smiths or Walther P99/As platform.

Just a hint.

It would be nice in the future if you are in a situation where someone made you a sincere apology if you would just accept it, and by-pass the additional comments which you seem determined to make.

Somehow the additional comments, particularly when you make up words the person apologizing NEVER expressed seems a bit tacky.

Jesse

 

[MattB]

Originally posted by PX15:
FWIW:

Smith & Wesson is the importer for the P99's and will do any necessary warranty work on P99's. I never had a problem with either my P99/AS or compact P99c/AS.. They were both 100% reliable and extremely accurate right out of the box.

I had less luck with a new PPS which was a POS but S&W replaced it with a new PPS which I sold.

You will be very happy with any "AS" Walther I believe.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Yeah I may have to call S&W and confirm that they won't actually hold Walther customers to the 1-year warranty. If they won't cover it I will almost definitely go with the M&P40. Both the M&P and P99 are excellent pistols. I've fired both the 6.5 and 10lbs. trigger models of the M&P (and actually prefer the 10lbs. model) but haven't fired a P99. They're both very comfortable in my hand as well, but there's just something cool about the P99 I can't put my finger on...

One thing that could help me in trying to negotiate on this particular P99 I'm looking at is that it has 10 round magazines, which are a big negative in Virginia where they aren't required by law.

 

[Out West]

I don't think there is a shred of difference between the Walther and the Smith 99's - not for function or accuracy. Appearance for sure and that is a subjective preference. Warranty favors the Smith.

I have owned the M&P 40, the 99's in all calibers and the third generation Smiths. Sold all but the third gen guns. I just like them better - for function (TDA), external hammers and for appearance. That is my preference, but each to their own. Not worried in the least about being under gunned or out shot by someone with a M&P or a 99.

Out West

 

[MattB]

Originally posted by Out West:
I don't think there is a shred of difference between the Walther and the Smith 99's - not for function or accuracy. Appearance for sure and that is a subjective preference. Warranty favors the Smith.

I have owned the M&P 40, the 99's in all calibers and the third generation Smiths. Sold all but the third gen guns. I just like them better - for function (TDA), external hammers and for appearance. That is my preference, but each to their own. Not worried in the least about being under gunned or out shot by someone with a M&P or a 99.

Out West

From what I've been told the warranty isn't even any different.

 

[PX15]

[/QUOTE]
From what I've been told the warranty isn't even any different.[/QUOTE]

FWIW:

A simple call to the S&W toll free Customer Service line at 1-800-331-0852 might correct that misunderstanding.

I've had the P99's (and PPS)and in my dealing and conversation with representatives of S&W Customer Service I was told that the S&W warranty (of all new S&W firearms)is for the lifetime of the original purchaser.. The warranty on the S&W import pistols FOR Walther, (P99/PPS/P22 and I don't know what else)is for ONE year.

I know MY P99's had a one year warranty, honored by S&W, and my buddy's SW99 came with a lifetime warranty by S&W.

If you find out differently I'll be happy to apologize for my error, and appreciate the correction.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by MattB

Yeah I may have to call S&W and confirm that they won't actually hold Walther customers to the 1-year warranty. If they won't cover it I will almost definitely go with the M&P40. Both the M&P and P99 are excellent pistols. I've fired both the 6.5 and 10lbs. trigger models of the M&P (and actually prefer the 10lbs. model) but haven't fired a P99. They're both very comfortable in my hand as well, but there's just something cool about the P99 I can't put my finger on...

One thing that could help me in trying to negotiate on this particular P99 I'm looking at is that it has 10 round magazines, which are a big negative in Virginia where they aren't required by law.[/QUOTE]


Matt:

IF I were a young person as opposed to the old fart senior citizen I am, I would consider a lifetime warranty a big plus in buying a new pistol. Additionally S&W offers one of the best, if not THE best, manufacturers warranties in the business.

I would buy a new M&P with a lifetime warranty over a new P99/AS with only a one year warranty myself..

I'm a big fan of S&W's Customer Service.. Great folks, super service, and when I had trouble with a new PPS S&W paid for shipping both ways, and when the problem couldn't be fixed they sent me a new PPS.. The whole deal never cost me a dime.. That's good Customer Service.

Oh yeah.. I don't want any ten round magazines in a pistol capable of using the 15 (Walther P99) or 16 (SW99)magazines..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[Fatdaddy]

I really like the P99 series, I currently have a SW99c in .40. The MP has some advantages over the p99 like mag capacity, ergonomics and rail. I just shoot the 99 better.

 

[animalmother]

+ 1 for the 4006.