S&W 460 XVR - 240gr XTP MAG - Any info?

[IA_shooter]

I plan on trying some 45 Cal .452 240 gr and 300 gr XTP® Mags in my 460 XVR with the 8-3/8" bbl.

Anyone loading these up in this gun? I plan on using them for deer hunting in Iowa, possibly hog hunting in TX, and any info on reloading data and personal experience with them as far as actual performance on deer sized game would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Trevor

 

[David Sinko]

I load this bullet into .45 ACP for my various 625 revolvers. Like all Hornady bullets I've ever tried, it's extremely accurate. It does have a thicker jacket, but I think your 460 will tear it apart when you shoot it at .460 velocities.

Dave Sinko

 

[IA_shooter]

They make the XTP's and the XTP MAG's, I will be using the mags which are advertised to stand up to the 460 velocities and pressures, correct?

Trevor

 

[scooter123]

Pick up a copy of the Lee 2nd, this manual has a fair bit of data on the 240 and 300 grain XTP's.

BTW, I will also second David's concerns about the 240 grain XTP standing up to the velocity potential of the 460 Magnum. According to the Lee manual that bullet could be moving as fast as 2254 fps with a max load of H110. However, if any jacketed bullet available can stand up to this I would expect it to be the Hornady.

 

[Jboutfishn]

I load the 460 SW Mag Using Starline Brass, 215 Federal Primers, 240 gr Hornady XTP-Mag, and 45 gr H110 powder. These loads Chrony at an average of 2043 fps.

Hodgdon on line lists this as a beginning load and my Chrony comes very lose to their results. Since all firearms are different, always start with reduced loads.

 

[IA_shooter]

I load the 460 SW Mag Using Starline Brass, 215 Federal Primers, 240 gr Hornady XTP-Mag, and 45 gr H110 powder. These loads Chrony at an average of 2043 fps.

Hodgdon on line lists this as a beginning load and my Chrony comes very close to their results. Since all firearms are different, always start with reduced loads.

That's just about exactly what I was going to try for my 1st load using the Hornady 240 XTP MAG except I have CCI 250 Magnum large rifle primers I was planning on using. Do you have a 8-3/8" barrel on your 460 or?

I should be getting my bullets (240's and 300's) late next week and I may try loading some up but I may not get to shoot them for a few weeks as it's going to be my deer season starting next w/e.

Looking for some load data for the 300 gr XTP MAG's as well.

Thanks.

Trevor

 

[Jboutfishn]

Mine is the 8 3/8 barrel. It wears a Lupy VX III and will use it for pigs after the holidays.

 

[IA_shooter]

Mine is the 8 3/8 barrel. It wears a Lupy VX III and will use it for pigs after the holidays.

There is a chance I might go down to TX this winter and try some hog hunting as well. That's one of the reasons I wanted a larger caliber handgun, there are some BIG tough piggies down there.

I looked at 44mag, 454 Casull, and the 460 but one of the things that won me over on the .460 is the fact I can shoot .45 long colt, .454 and .460 ammo and I do my own reloading so ammo cost for the .460 ammo will be tolerable.

I'm looking forward to doing some load development using the 240gr and 300 gr Hornadys.

 

[buck460XVR]

I load the 460 SW Mag Using Starline Brass, 215 Federal Primers, 240 gr Hornady XTP-Mag, and 45 gr H110 powder. These loads Chrony at an average of 2043 fps.

I too run 45 gr of H110/W296 under the 240 XTP-MAG. The concern about using thin jacketed bullets @ .460 pressures and velocities is legitimate, but the XTP-MAGS are not thin-jacketed bullets intended for standard .45 Colt velocities. The 250 and 300 gr .45 cal standard XTPs are. For deer, I prefer 300 grainers, either the XTP-MAGS or Speer's Deep Curls over 38.5 gr of IMR4227. One does not need to load the .460 to max to be effective on deer or hogs. My best accuracy from my X-Frame comes from middle of the road loads. BTW....Hodgdons start loads are middle of the road in everyone else's book.

 

[ruggyh]

^^^^^^^^^ as stated above^^^^^^^^^^

and as an aside magnum primers are not required for 460 S&W


as always be safe and have fun

 

[S&WNUT]

^^^^^^^^^ as stated above^^^^^^^^^^

and as an aside magnum primers are not required for 460 S&W


as always be safe and have fun

Mag primers are for the h110 and 296 not the gun. I would say stick with no more than 240gr for deer the 300gr most likely will not exspand unless you hit a sholder and big bone and there of. 300gr will take any thing in north america and most anything any where else. And either one should work on a hog. I down load a 250gr XTP 45cal with 2400 at 30gr and standard LR primer with great results in accuracy and would think would do well on deer.

 

[S&WNUT]

The reason for down loading the 250gr is to keep them in recomended vol and still keep food on the table. I do have the XTP MAGS and shoot them but standard XTP DOWN LOADED TO UNDER 1600 are great loads and would be a great deer load and save money at the same time!!!

 

[IA_shooter]

The reason for down loading the 250gr is to keep them in recomended vol and still keep food on the table. I do have the XTP MAGS and shoot them but standard XTP DOWN LOADED TO UNDER 1600 are great loads and would be a great deer load and save money at the same time!!!

Thanks for the info, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[jslack7851]

I'd like to thank you guys. I've been working the same loads for my .460.

I just got started reloading handgun, and couldn't figure out why 40 grains wouldn't fit into the case. This didn't seem right so I started looking around for information and learned about compressed loads.

Since I hadn't found anyone else talking about compressed loads, I look at my digital scale. I used one of the 240 grain slugs as a weight and it turned out I was using the wrong mode on my scale.

Ah gee, lots of room now. Thanks again, that could've been ugly.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

I'd like to thank you guys. I've been working the same loads for my .460.

I just got started reloading handgun, and couldn't figure out why 40 grains wouldn't fit into the case. This didn't seem right so I started looking around for information and learned about compressed loads.

Since I hadn't found anyone else talking about compressed loads, I look at my digital scale. I used one of the 240 grain slugs as a weight and it turned out I was using the wrong mode on my scale.

Ah gee, lots of room now. Thanks again, that could've been ugly.

WOW! Your darn right that could have been ugly..and PAINFUL!

And to the original question here, I have found that the XTP MAG offered in 240 and 300gr are specifically offered for use in the 460 at full 460 pressure and speed as Buck460XVR indicated.

Be careful with standard XTP's and don't mix them up if you are experimenting with both and are pushing 460 speed.

I'm not sure what negative effects will occur when pushing standard XTP's to over 1600fps, I'm still looking into that.

Also, the 200gr FTX is designed for full 460 speed as well. That is the bullet used on Hornady's full house factory loads they offer for the 460.

Happy shooting and make sure your scale is set to the proper weight of measure! Can't be too careful when playing around with this stuff....

 

[jslack7851]

I successfully got 10 rounds off b/4 the cylinder fell off the frame.

I tried for a hour to get it to go back together.

This is the second time something has gone wrong with this gun. First time the ejector rod unscrewed and the cylinder wouldn't close.

I still haven't got it back together but I'm starting to think I got a lemon.

I was using 42 gr of H 110, barely 1600 fps. Any suggestions?

After 2 hours and 20 minutes, one of my buds told me about the retaining screw in the side case. He carries a screwdriver. Kinda like owning a Harley, always needs tightening up.

 

[ruggyh]

The 460 and 500 require you inspect them regularly and keep stuff tight.

Removing the retaining screw completely make reinstalling the crane easier.

 

[cbrobertson]

No where have I seen cast bullets listed here. I have gotten some really good results with 300 grain cast gas check bullets pushed by 32 grains of H110. That is a light load, the book lists 40 grains of H110 max. But I don't feel a need to push it that hard.
With plain base cast 300 grain I have loaded and shot a lot using only 10 grains of Trail Boss. That is a real powder puff load, but cheap & fun shooting.

ALSO: I have not gotten any accuracy at all from shooting .45 Colt ammo in the .460.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Interesting food for though I thought I might share with my fellow 460 reloaders..

I was reloading some 44 mag for my 29-2 last night. When I got done with my session, I was looking over the 460mag data in my Hornady loading manual...

I noticed that the 460mag is really out of it's comfort zone pushing heavier bullets. According to the current Hornady book, the 454 Casull MATCHES EXACTLY the 460 S&W Mag for velocity pushing the exact same 300gr XTP MAG bullet. If you want to toss jacketed 300 grainers, you might better load up some 454 Casull. There is ZERO increase in velocity pushing a 300gr bullet with the 460mag vs the 454 Casull according to my Hornady book. NONE!

With the lighter bullets, the 460 blows the doors off the 454.

Can anyone educate me as to why this is?

I am inclined to think it it is a case volume thing and the 460 already operating at astronomical pressures when pushing 200 grainers at max load, the heavier bullets just require too much pressure to propel faster than the published max pressure data lists....

Just found that intriguing...

So, if you guys want to launch 300gr bullets faster than about 1650fps, might better get a 500! LOL!

 

[zirrow]

Interesting food for though I thought I might share with my fellow 460 reloaders..

I was reloading some 44 mag for my 29-2 last night. When I got done with my session, I was looking over the 460mag data in my Hornady loading manual...

I noticed that the 460mag is really out of it's comfort zone pushing heavier bullets. According to the current Hornady book, the 454 Casull MATCHES EXACTLY the 460 S&W Mag for velocity pushing the exact same 300gr XTP MAG bullet. If you want to toss jacketed 300 grainers, you might better load up some 454 Casull. There is ZERO increase in velocity pushing a 300gr bullet with the 460mag vs the 454 Casull according to my Hornady book. NONE!

With the lighter bullets, the 460 blows the doors off the 454.

Can anyone educate me as to why this is?

I am inclined to think it it is a case volume thing and the 460 already operating at astronomical pressures when pushing 200 grainers at max load, the heavier bullets just require too much pressure to propel faster than the published max pressure data lists....

Just found that intriguing...

So, if you guys want to launch 300gr bullets faster than about 1650fps, might better get a 500! LOL!

I don't have any Hornady info available to check, but if you look at Hodgdon's data, the 460 is pushing over 2,000 fps, which is about 300 fps faster than the 454.

ETA: Maybe a typo in the Hornady data?