boatswainsmate
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Would someone want to pay 2000.00 for this weapon just because it shoots 8 times with out the lock. If so it is on one of the auction sights.
s&w m627 s.s. 8 shot 2 5/8 U.D.L. performance center revolver nick-named "BLOODWORK
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boatswainsmate
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Would someone want to pay 2000.00 for this weapon just because it shoots 8 times with out the lock. If so it is on one of the auction sights.
panamajack310
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Hi, they are one of the most sought after revolvers..Not because it is just an 8 shot with out the lock but because of the barrel length quality of the gun and the limited production of 302 made..It is a big time collector gun....Plus they say it is an awsome shooter and concealed carry piece...Its common name here is a 627 bloodwork.
mokuloa
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Sadly yes. This particular revolver model has a number of things going for it. Short barrel brings a premium. 8-shot is a plus. Performance Center is a plus. Limited edition automatically means scarce. Prelock - so even if S&W comes out with another UDR it will have the lock. And the Clint Eastwood effect is well documented, going back to the Model 29 and the premium prices these guns demanded in the 70s. Many Model 29s were found on the resale market in pristine condition, often with most of a box of 44 mag cartridges, as in 44 out of 50. And the factory made a bunch of them. One final thought, these came out at about a grand, so two grand is a 100% mark up. I paid $140 for my first Model 28-2 in the 70s, and these things go NIB for 500-600+ all day long. And S&W made over 8400 the first year alone.
BigBoku
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There are plenty of collectors who are willing to pay 2000.00 for a UDR and I have seen some go for over 3000.00.
However the one listed on the auction site most likely will not get the premium collectors pay because the gun is no longer all factory original being that it has been ported
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However the one listed on the auction site most likely will not get the premium collectors pay because the gun is no longer all factory original being that it has been ported
G
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Ummm, what was the question again?
I don't think it was a real question, more of a Sears question (or maybe a friendly heads up). I didn't see a question mark anywhere.
BigBoku
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OK OK IM GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gig-a-hertz
Member
The UDR is not the Bloodwork gun, even though most all are happy to call it/them one.
The movie gun has a fluted cylinder...the UDR's do not...they are unfluted.
Check the movie.
The only time I ever saw production numbers on the "real" Bloodwork 627, was a reference that the late Chuck Lubbe made to them. IIRC it was something like 13. And I am being gracious to our lost member as to accuracy of 'that' number.
Who knows?
That said, the UDR's are still pretty sparce.
I have heard of the 3-gun set selling for $3000, a few years ago.....not Now though.
These guns are cool as penquin **** though.
I have one of them in .44 Magnum....and look at all of them when they pop-up.
I have seen mention of them being 'Lew Horton's"
Until corrected, I don't believe that is correct.
My .44 has a serial # that goes like this:
EBC 00xx
This Alpha sequence, in my studies, has always been Ellot Brothers....not Lew Horton?
Maybe there are Ellots & Lews..?
The 302 number or whatever, may be more than we think?
I question why Clint Eastwood would demean himself by using a measily .357 albeit an 8-shot, when he is THE .44 magnum movie star?
The movie gun has a fluted cylinder...the UDR's do not...they are unfluted.
Check the movie.
The only time I ever saw production numbers on the "real" Bloodwork 627, was a reference that the late Chuck Lubbe made to them. IIRC it was something like 13. And I am being gracious to our lost member as to accuracy of 'that' number.
Who knows?
That said, the UDR's are still pretty sparce.
I have heard of the 3-gun set selling for $3000, a few years ago.....not Now though.
These guns are cool as penquin **** though.
I have one of them in .44 Magnum....and look at all of them when they pop-up.
I have seen mention of them being 'Lew Horton's"
Until corrected, I don't believe that is correct.
My .44 has a serial # that goes like this:
EBC 00xx
This Alpha sequence, in my studies, has always been Ellot Brothers....not Lew Horton?
Maybe there are Ellots & Lews..?
The 302 number or whatever, may be more than we think?
I question why Clint Eastwood would demean himself by using a measily .357 albeit an 8-shot, when he is THE .44 magnum movie star?
G
Guest
Maybe these will help...
As I recall, the discussion about the total quantity of the so-called Bloodwork guns involved several folks, Bryan Pettit quoted the number as well IIRC. The problem is that I'm not sure there were really any "production" guns, but made up guns for the movie. In other words, the factory did some for the movie crowd and others that had their guns modified, but running a series of them with fluted cylinders seems to be a rumor to this point.
gig-a-hertz
Member
Thanks Rob. I stand corrected and at attention.
Pretty conclusive as to Horton origin.
The EBC on mine still makes me wonder.
I know as much as you research things, I think that you might agree, that we may never know who requested some of these obscure variations.
And when they are agreed to be made, multiple big distributors may chime in to 'take them'.
What do you think?
I know some want exclusivity...but then there are the so-called 'over-run' guns....
????/
Maybe someone will 'letter' a few of them?
I won't....I know enough.
Pretty conclusive as to Horton origin.
The EBC on mine still makes me wonder.
I know as much as you research things, I think that you might agree, that we may never know who requested some of these obscure variations.
And when they are agreed to be made, multiple big distributors may chime in to 'take them'.
What do you think?
I know some want exclusivity...but then there are the so-called 'over-run' guns....
????/
Maybe someone will 'letter' a few of them?
I won't....I know enough.
G
Guest
John,
The early years of the PC (after they got over the initial "custom" one-at-a-time orientation) saw almost everything going through Lew Horton, followed by some abortive attempts by the Stocking Dealer Program to take some PC models. Some folks talk about the unique and solid relationship between LH and the PC, and I'm sure most of it is true. I've talked to a few folks at LH as well, and one rep told me one time that they didn't have all that much sway as to what was being made, they just got a visit from time to time by folks from the PC showing them the new models they were making, and the inference was "here's what we have coming, how many do you want"? It seems, the proximity of LH to the factory could have had more to do with their exclusivity than anything else (?)
It wasn't until the late 90's that other companies started taking any amount of new PC runs, the first appeared to be RSR with their Light Hunter line, followed by others (Camfour, Bangors, Sports South). It is my belief that many of these other companies got into the fray after the dreaded agreement when nobody could sell Smiths and LH was sitting on loads of product in inventory (in essence, they told the PC to stop loading them up). That's about the time that the Heritage line was starting to take off, just to quickly crash leaving LH to sell off loads of them to CDNN and others at what appears to be a big loss.
Anyway, long answer to a short question, but for many of the early years (~1990 - the late 90's), while LH had much of the PC production, they had fairly little input into what was being designed and made.
As for over-run guns, almost anything goes. We've seen many Wischo guns (their exclusive German distributor) distributed in the US by many other distributors, when it came time to clean out the warehouse the factory didn't care who took the product, just that they sold it off and got paid.
The early years of the PC (after they got over the initial "custom" one-at-a-time orientation) saw almost everything going through Lew Horton, followed by some abortive attempts by the Stocking Dealer Program to take some PC models. Some folks talk about the unique and solid relationship between LH and the PC, and I'm sure most of it is true. I've talked to a few folks at LH as well, and one rep told me one time that they didn't have all that much sway as to what was being made, they just got a visit from time to time by folks from the PC showing them the new models they were making, and the inference was "here's what we have coming, how many do you want"? It seems, the proximity of LH to the factory could have had more to do with their exclusivity than anything else (?)
It wasn't until the late 90's that other companies started taking any amount of new PC runs, the first appeared to be RSR with their Light Hunter line, followed by others (Camfour, Bangors, Sports South). It is my belief that many of these other companies got into the fray after the dreaded agreement when nobody could sell Smiths and LH was sitting on loads of product in inventory (in essence, they told the PC to stop loading them up). That's about the time that the Heritage line was starting to take off, just to quickly crash leaving LH to sell off loads of them to CDNN and others at what appears to be a big loss.
Anyway, long answer to a short question, but for many of the early years (~1990 - the late 90's), while LH had much of the PC production, they had fairly little input into what was being designed and made.
As for over-run guns, almost anything goes. We've seen many Wischo guns (their exclusive German distributor) distributed in the US by many other distributors, when it came time to clean out the warehouse the factory didn't care who took the product, just that they sold it off and got paid.
gig-a-hertz
Member
I agree.
Well said.
I now relinguish my hi-jacking of this thread.
Thanks to all.
Well said.
I now relinguish my hi-jacking of this thread.
Thanks to all.
thomasinaz
US Veteran
Short answer to the original question; Yes. They have, and will again.
panamajack310
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