Scenes from a gun show

David LaPell

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Well yesterday I went to the first gun show I have been at in a year and I can telly you I learned a few things. One is that some dealers still think that just because the economy is bad they can start prices out in la la land and go from there. I saw very few AR style rifles, mostly older and antique guns. A few 1911's but none that were original, mostly copies and they were priced like some originals but these were Philippine made guns, not the nicer Kimber. I only saw a few nice Smith & Wessons, a newer production Model 22 .45 ACP for $1000, a semi worn Model 28 for $600 (I liked that gun but between the wear and the crappy grips that $600 seemed a little steep). Besides the $800 Colt SAA I mentioned yesterday (and that belonged to a friend of mine) only one or two guns peaked my interest. I was there for .22 ammo. I saw some small boxes, fifty rounders mostly and they were not even new production ammo judging by the boxes. Most of them were $10 each for fifty, some were $12. I saw only one box with anything more than that, it was a Winchester box of .22 lr 36 grain HP and there were 555 rounds there, all for $75. I hated to do it but it was the most .22 ammo I have seen in one place for a price under a hundred in over six months. We have five gun shops here locally and only one person has .22 and she sells it at $12 per box of 50 if its Remington, and Federal she takes bricks of it apart puts 100 in a plastic bag and sells them for $15. No one else has .22 up here. One guy keeps a few boxes and he tells you if you buy a .22 you get one box of fifty to go with it. I did snag a box of 50 Remingtons from an older gentleman for $5 which was the cheapest I have seen .22 in my neck of the woods in a long time. All in all I wasn't happy about paying that much for something not more than three years back would have been much much less, but right now I had the money and he had the ammo. One dealer I know told me that he had ten bricks of .22 on his table which was close to the front door and on Saturday morning it took thirty minutes to sell them all at $65 a brick. I fear its only going to get worse. I think if NY ever gets the background check system online and working it will cost gun dealers $10 PER check. I also wonder what will happen if Cuomo wins in November, our guy is a long shot to beat him, it can happen but will enough gun owners get out there and vote? One thing I can tell you that I noticed when I was walking around that gun show, you can FEEL the anger, you can FEEL the fact that people have had enough. How much more can people take? There was a rally right after the show where they burned gun registration cards. I thought that was great but at the same time, I wish gun owners in this state had stood together like that before Cuomo was elected and not been in the two camps that they were. Those that believed in being able to own anything as long as they were legal and those that thought their hunting rifles were ok but AR-'s and AK's were not but as long as their guns weren't banned they were fine with that. So it was a good show but I learned a lot since I haven't been to one. I know the next one I think I will bring more money, and maybe if I can my camera.
 
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It will continue as long as people will pay the HIGH asking prices.

The dealer taking the bricks apart and selling in 100 rd bags for $15...I would NEVER enter the shop again or buy anything from them. I would also tell them that the current market WILL end...and people will remember their gouging.

We had a dealer selling Hodgon powder for $32 a pound a few months back. Quite a few customers complained. I was one of them. Within a week they dropped it back to $27.

FN in MT
 
You are a better man than I David, I pretty much gave up on gun shows for the moment. I rather think that things will sort themselves out eventually when all those people with angry feelings also give up and quit the gun shows as well. Then the gun show vendors will have a choice, get back to reality or sell coo coo clocks or beef jerky. I inadvertently side stepped the .22 rim fire situation by buying bricks of it out of boredom when I couldn't find any revolvers to buy and wound up with quite a stash of em, a bit like my 7.62 NATO situation developed into awhile back. I was joking with a LGS owner when I offered to trade bricks of .22 for a very nice Marlin Cowboy Limited in .45 Colt he had on the shelf, he said ok and then I had to backpedal a bit! Rule one on ammo, never sell or trade it unless its a close friend in need. Hang in there my friend.
 
Great Report!

I, too, attended a gun show yesterday and Saturday. The (almost) monthy Tanner show in Denver was actually much better than usual this weekend.

Since I shoot a grip of rimfire, I'm always on the lookout for reasonable 22LR ammo as well. Your situation sounds bad; it was about that bad here 6 months ago, but it is improving. $65 bricks of Armscor 22 were sitting unsold. I saw a couple bricks of Blazers for $75 and the worst was Thunderbolts for $89 per bulk pack. Sleeves of 100 CCi in various flavors ran about $20. Many old single boxes of 50, as you mentioned, for 10-12 bucks each. The gouge is certainly still on in the realm of 22 ammo, but it seems like fewer folks are having to resort to paying too much. The rush is also on for 7.62x39 ammo. Russia's mad! Everybody freak out! Sheesh. :rolleyes:

In a refreshing turn of events, there were a number of very tempting S&W revolvers to admire and fondle. I figure since I ponied up to get in the door, I can handle the goods. :D Don't get me wrong, polymer autos and black rifles outnumber good S&W revolvers at least 100 to 1, probably way more. The good revolvers were there tho. Also saw a NIB Model 42 5 incher for $850. an uncommon gun at a great price.

Lots of knives, if that's your thing. Jeff the Bark River Man had his usual table of beautiful Bark River blades. Of course, cheapo imports by the bucketful. Jewelry, jerky, candy? Check. :)

Lots of vendors just seem like they could care less if you shop them and others shout you down. This is a pretty big show and it attracts all kinds, only got hit w a "nose punch" of BO a couple of times. :p Randy the Book Guy was there with his amazing table of gun books. Michael Kole Holsters, as well as the other leather guys that I don't use as much.

Anyway, it beat the heck outta sitting at home. It's a fun show, if you live in the area and haven't gone, give it a shot.
 
Thanks for the report David.
I also went to a large regional show this friday (Indy 1500 show).
There was lots of .22 ammo but it was:
CCI mini-mags 16.95 for hundred pak
CCI Troy Landry boxes i think are 300 rds---49 dollars
Winchester 333 bulk boxes 59-65 dollars
Remington 500 rd golden bullet boxes 65 bucks
and so on....
I have about 12,000 rounds stashed so i was OK and not buying
at those prices.
A few tables with some older Colt and S&W's but they we're crazy
prices. N-serial number 29-2's priced at 1200. 6" model 28 in good
shape but priced at 850. All the Colts we're priced in the stratosphere.
I ended up spending all of 20 bucks at the show.
5 for parking, 12 to get in, and a 3 dollar fountain coke.
I went looking for one gun in particular and that never works out
for me anyways. I was looking for a nice original Winchester
model 62 and had over a grand in my pocket.
Of course only saw two at the entire show and they we're both
very beat up from what looked like years and years of use in
the gallery gun business.
Did find a nice S&W model 34-1 on the way home at a local gun shop
i decided to stop in. So all was not lost this weekend.
I don't foresee things getting any better. We just have to look
for the "deals" when we find them.

Chuck
 
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Thank you for the report. Its interesting to see what its like on the otherside of the Country. Ive seen at the shows here--50 rd box 22--the cheap stuff) from $8 to $13.
 
I've come to equate the rise in .22 ammo to the cost of hay. In 2011, when we were going thru a bad drought, hay prices rose because of 2 or 3 reasons. One was a shortage and people had to have something to feed their animals. Two was the continued rise in cost of fertilizer. And three, hay producers FINALLY sat down and figured out just how much money they had in the production of that hay. For years, round bales were selling for $25-30 despite the fact that the farmers had $35-50 invested. But they couldn't sell any for the higher price because the other farmers refused to crunch the numbers and realize they were losing money at $25. The drought changed that and now quality hay is being sold much closer to the actual cost, plus a certain percentage for profit.
I think for years the gun shops were selling .22 ammo for close to their cost just because they were all pricing it that way. After not being able to get any for a year or so, they realize they might be able to make a bit on it, if for no other reasons than to pay rent, pay employees, and to pay for tables at gun shows if they decide to market their stuff that way. If I don't like the price, I don't buy it. If I didn't have the foresight to stash some over the last few years and need a particular caliber, I swallow hard and buy some. Or not.
Ed
 
I posted last night my experience about the Ft Worth Gun show. There were fewer tables and what was there seemed to have less than normal. I did pick up some Blazer 22lr and Winchester 22 Win Mag. The Blazer was ~$6.50/box so not great but better than I've seen in a long time.

Seemed there was more knives and accessories than guns. The ARs were not numerous but parts for ARs were. There was almost no reloading stuff and ammo that was there was high priced, but I saw lots of it being bought. I watched in awe as a guy bought 3 boxes of 380FMJ for over $60!!!! And then add a box of 380 HP to round it off to a smooth $100.

If this is going to be the new normal I don't want to be normal!!
 
... I know the next one I think I will bring more money, and maybe if I can my camera.
You might want to check on the camera. Gun shows around here do not allow them inside. Of course, nowdays every cell phone is a camera, so I don't know how this is enforced.

I know what the man means when he says a "nose punch of BO." Guys, when you know you are going out in public be sure to shower in the morning. And put on some clean clothes! :D
 
Dave, if your being gouged that bad for .22, you don't need it. Clean your .22s and wrap them for storage. Don't play their game.
 
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