SCOTUS – Vermont – Rhode Island – Washington - Delaware Updates

[Gary Slider]

SCOTUS has overturned New York’s May Issue laws. It will be awhile before NY and most likely the other May Issue states update their laws and issuing regulations for issuing Permit/Licenses. All the states that are May Issue have very limited places off limits and will most likely follow what DC did and have a huge list of places we will be unable to carry even under their new Shall Issue Laws/Regulations.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

Vermont Governor has signed a bill that updates their Magazine Ban Statute Per Bill S 4 which now allows for bringing higher cap mags into the state by non-residents for shooting matches. https://legislature.vermont.gov/Doc...4/S-0004 As passed by the Senate Official.pdf

Rhode Island Governor has signed S2653 and companion bill H6614 which bans magazines that can hold over 10 rounds. Residents have 6 months to meet the requirements in the new law. http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText22/SenateText22/S2653.pdf
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText22/HouseText22/H6614.pdf

Washington The Governor has signed a Magazine Ban. Residents that have these mags can keep them but can’t buy/sell or bring any more into the state. Non-Residents can’t bring in any mags holding over 10 rounds. https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/Senate Bills/5078-S.E.pdf?q=20220305140501

Delaware has passed a bill but the Governor has not signed it yet but is expected to. This bill bans higher capacity magazines over 17 Rounds.
https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GeneratePdfEngrossment?engrossmentId=25342&docTypeId=6

Handgunlaw.us is in the middle of updating most of the documents on the site to upload July 1. Indiana is going Permitless Carry and several other states have changes in their Statutes that are effective July 1. There is just a lot of work for all these changes. So none of the above changes will be added until July 1 or when they become effective.

 

[Bald1]

Just to fill you non New Yorkers in on how our permit system works, it goes like this. You need a NY State Pistol Permit to buy and posses a handgun. To get it you take a class, fill out app, with references and fingerprints. Each county is responsible for issuing permits. This is where most of the problems arise. A lot of rural counties have one type of permit. It’s unrestricted. I’ve had my permit since 1990. At that time in Erie Co (think Buffalo) there were several types of permits. Premises ( keep in house), employment (armed security) , hunting and target and the elusive unrestricted. If at 21 I walked in and requested an unrestricted permit I would not have got it. So like everyone else I got a hunting and target permit. After a few yrs of “proving myself worthy” I applied for an unrestricted up grade and went before a County Judge to say why I needed it. I said I made large bank deposits for a business and had a written affidavit from business owner. To this day counties with larger liberal cities and judges simply WONT issue unrestricted permits. That is where the lawsuit originated. The whole process takes over a year and is expensive. It is the ultimate INFRINGEMENT on 2A rights.

 

[robertrwalsh]

There is no doubt in my mind that NY, CA, and HA as well as possibly others will slow-drag and obstruct the process as much as possible just to say UP YOURS. It will almost certainly take follow-up lawsuits to compel these clowns to follow the law.

 

[mocha001]

our governor in California,is just plain angry at the decision.He will do what ever he can to avoid this

 

[smoothshooter]

Just to fill you non New Yorkers in on how our permit system works, it goes like this. You need a NY State Pistol Permit to buy and posses a handgun. To get it you take a class, fill out app, with references and fingerprints. Each county is responsible for issuing permits. This is where most of the problems arise. A lot of rural counties have one type of permit. It’s unrestricted. I’ve had my permit since 1990. At that time in Erie Co (think Buffalo) there were several types of permits. Premises ( keep in house), employment (armed security) , hunting and target and the elusive unrestricted. If at 21 I walked in and requested an unrestricted permit I would not have got it. So like everyone else I got a hunting and target permit. After a few yrs of “proving myself worthy” I applied for an unrestricted up grade and went before a County Judge to say why I needed it. I said I made large bank deposits for a business and had a written affidavit from business owner. To this day counties with larger liberal cities and judges simply WONT issue unrestricted permits. That is where the lawsuit originated. The whole process takes over a year and is expensive. It is the ultimate INFRINGEMENT on 2A rights.

Don’t hold your breath expecting any positive changes anytime soon. Could take years, if ever.
If you think getting a permit now is expensive and troublesome now, just wait.
And Lord help anyone who actually shoots a perp in self-defense.
NYC will do what it wants to do.

 

[Bill Lear]

Don’t hold your breath expecting any positive changes anytime soon. Could take years, if ever.
If you think getting a permit now is expensive and troublesome now, just wait.
And Lord help anyone who actually shoots a perp in self-defense.
NYC will do what it wants to do.

Kind of like it wanted to deny carry permits and got away with it for decades until a truly conservative supreme court emerged. NOW it just got its face slapped on national tv!

As for NY and CA doing everything and anything to obstruct the new ruling...I don't see a lot of evidence on the forums yet that many truly understand the full scope of Justice Thomas' opinion. Even the media shills still fail to grasp that it's no longer just about the NY CC law, NOW there is a new, higher standard of scrutiny for evaluating the constitutionality of gun laws! No longer can every state and personal fiefdom make up any law they like to deny gun rights and claim a public interest superior to the 2A...

CA's mag ban, already ruled unconstitutional twice at the District appeals level, and once at the 9th Circuit has been sitting in limbo awaiting THIS decision because everyone knew a new standard of scrutiny was coming and ANY standard is higher than what was! Well now it's here. Now the 9th Circuit will have to apply this new scrutiny to a decision it desperately wants to overturn (against it's own judges), and it will not be able to do so...the mag ban will go down, and with it, all other mag bans across the nation.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do know a few savvy attorneys who have been following this case closely and the full impact of the new language is about to change gun laws nationwide - including arrogant New York and arrogant California!

Check out The Armed Scholar's initial reaction!
Supreme Court 6-3 Concealed Carry Decision Changes Everything!!! NYSRPA v. Bruen Ruling! - YouTube

 

[Bald1]

I hope your right Bill. It would seem that the precedent is set.

 

[robertrwalsh]

It would be nice if this would dump the CA "gun list." I am not holding my breath on that, but it would be nice.

 

[Bill Lear]

Kind of like it wanted to deny carry permits and got away with it for decades until a truly conservative supreme court emerged. NOW it just got its face slapped on national tv!

As for NY and CA doing everything and anything to obstruct the new ruling...I don't see a lot of evidence on the forums yet that many truly understand the full scope of Justice Thomas' opinion. Even the media shills still fail to grasp that it's no longer just about the NY CC law, NOW there is a new, higher standard of scrutiny for evaluating the constitutionality of gun laws! No longer can every state and personal fiefdom make up any law they like to deny gun rights and claim a public interest superior to the 2A...

CA's mag ban, already ruled unconstitutional twice at the District appeals level, and once at the 9th Circuit has been sitting in limbo awaiting THIS decision because everyone knew a new standard of scrutiny was coming and ANY standard is higher than what was! Well now it's here. Now the 9th Circuit will have to apply this new scrutiny to a decision it desperately wants to overturn (against it's own judges), and it will not be able to do so...the mag ban will go down, and with it, all other mag bans across the nation.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do know a few savvy attorneys who have been following this case closely and the full impact of the new language is about to change gun laws nationwide - including arrogant New York and arrogant California!

Check out The Armed Scholar's initial reaction!
Supreme Court 6-3 Concealed Carry Decision Changes Everything!!! NYSRPA v. Bruen Ruling! - YouTube

UPDATE: The SCOTUS issued public demands that specific prior rulings in CALIFORNIA be reviewed, and "corrected" to reflect the new level of scrutiny! Specifically this refers to an 11 judge panel at the 9th Circuit who ruled against a prior 9th Circuit 3-judge panel, plus the 5th District court's ruling that the AWB and the magazine ban was unconstitutional! This means the 9th has been PUBLICALLY put on notice to issue a ruling that complies and invalidates CA's illegal law, with the implied threat that if the case makes it back to them, there will come an even more stringent 2A ruling, or worse, the SCOTUS will issue a ruling to prevent CA and other states from stalling and further infringing on 2A rights.

 

[smoothshooter]

Kind of like it wanted to deny carry permits and got away with it for decades until a truly conservative supreme court emerged. NOW it just got its face slapped on national tv!

As for NY and CA doing everything and anything to obstruct the new ruling...I don't see a lot of evidence on the forums yet that many truly understand the full scope of Justice Thomas' opinion. Even the media shills still fail to grasp that it's no longer just about the NY CC law, NOW there is a new, higher standard of scrutiny for evaluating the constitutionality of gun laws! No longer can every state and personal fiefdom make up any law they like to deny gun rights and claim a public interest superior to the 2A...

CA's mag ban, already ruled unconstitutional twice at the District appeals level, and once at the 9th Circuit has been sitting in limbo awaiting THIS decision because everyone knew a new standard of scrutiny was coming and ANY standard is higher than what was! Well now it's here. Now the 9th Circuit will have to apply this new scrutiny to a decision it desperately wants to overturn (against it's own judges), and it will not be able to do so...the mag ban will go down, and with it, all other mag bans across the nation.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do know a few savvy attorneys who have been following this case closely and the full impact of the new language is about to change gun laws nationwide - including arrogant New York and arrogant California!

Check out The Armed Scholar's initial reaction!
Supreme Court 6-3 Concealed Carry Decision Changes Everything!!! NYSRPA v. Bruen Ruling! - YouTube

I still do not expect things to change much.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

It has been my experience that as soon as a new law, regulation or verdict is rendered that supports a liberal position the bureaucrats and their sheeplike constituent public RUSH to avail themselves of the opportunity: when it is something they oppose they merely ignore it (as if it never existed or had any legal validity) or immediately pass some new (tipically also equally unConstitutional!) replacement...

When WILL they ever learn?

Cheers!

 

[Jerry M]

Delaware also passed their version of an 'assault weapons ' ban. I got an email from Bridgeville Rifle and Pistol Club, non-resident can no longer bring M1-As or AR-15s among other firearms to Delaware for matches.

 

[delcrossv]

Delaware also passed their version of an 'assault weapons ' ban. I got an email from Bridgeville Rifle and Pistol Club, non-resident can no longer bring M1-As or AR-15s among other firearms to Delaware for matches.

They may go down swinging, but they will go down.