sd9ve with loaded chamber indicator
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BlackTalonJHP
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The latter has a flag that sticks up on top of the slide at the rear of the breech. The former has a half conical cutout.
Willcoe
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It simply means you bought a pistol bound for, or live in, the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Same pistol other than the stupid pop up indicator. Oh yeah, the 10 round mag restriction too.
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The version you refer to has a visible and tactile indicator on top of the slide so you can know whether there is a round in the chamber by a quick glance or, in the dark, by feel.
They also will not fire if there is not a magazine in the gun even if there is a round in the chamber. This prevents you from potentially firing a single round and then learning there are no more rounds immediately available. They are also required to pass a firing reliability test.
These versions usually come with a 10 round magazine to conform to some state laws but they accept the standard 16 round magazine.
Finally they would have passed a severe "drop test" to demonstrate that they won't fire if dropped accidentally.
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Here is part of the regulations defining what three sample guns must ALL pass for certification:
The laboratory must fire 600 rounds of certain ammunition from each gun, stopping at specified intervals. A handgun model passes the test if each of the three test guns:
• Fires the first 20 rounds without a malfunction that is not due to ammunition that fails to detonate
and
• Fires the full 600 rounds with no more than six malfunctions that are not due to ammunition that fails to detonate, and without any crack or breakage of an operating part of the handgun that increases the risk of injury to the user.
Following the handgun firing requirements, the same certified independent testing laboratory must subject the same three handguns to a series of six drop tests each, with a primed case (no powder or projectile) inserted into the chamber. The handgun model passes this test if each of the three test guns does not fire the primer.
If any one of the three test guns fail any of the tests, new models, representing the proposed production versions, must be submitted for a new series of tests.
The objective of these programs is to insure that models sold in those states are not only safe but are reliable.
The version you refer to has a visible and tactile indicator on top of the slide so you can know whether there is a round in the chamber by a quick glance or, in the dark, by feel.
They also will not fire if there is not a magazine in the gun even if there is a round in the chamber. This prevents you from potentially firing a single round and then learning there are no more rounds immediately available. They are also required to pass a firing reliability test.
These versions usually come with a 10 round magazine to conform to some state laws but they accept the standard 16 round magazine.
Finally they would have passed a severe "drop test" to demonstrate that they won't fire if dropped accidentally.
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Here is part of the regulations defining what three sample guns must ALL pass for certification:
The laboratory must fire 600 rounds of certain ammunition from each gun, stopping at specified intervals. A handgun model passes the test if each of the three test guns:
• Fires the first 20 rounds without a malfunction that is not due to ammunition that fails to detonate
and
• Fires the full 600 rounds with no more than six malfunctions that are not due to ammunition that fails to detonate, and without any crack or breakage of an operating part of the handgun that increases the risk of injury to the user.
Following the handgun firing requirements, the same certified independent testing laboratory must subject the same three handguns to a series of six drop tests each, with a primed case (no powder or projectile) inserted into the chamber. The handgun model passes this test if each of the three test guns does not fire the primer.
If any one of the three test guns fail any of the tests, new models, representing the proposed production versions, must be submitted for a new series of tests.
The objective of these programs is to insure that models sold in those states are not only safe but are reliable.
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Shorty091261
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The Massachusetts compliant version does not have the magazine interlock, but it does have a ten round magazine limit, and a 10 lb trigger. The loaded chamber indicator on mine is a pinhole over the cartridge rim where you can look to see if there's anything in there. That being said, I keep forgetting to look at it while in use, with the best loaded chamber indicator (IMO) being to rack the slide and take a look.
Loaded chamber indicator
I special-ordered the CA version even though my state doesn't require it. It allows me to rack and load one round, then drop the magazine down just a bit. That way my wife, who doesn't have to have the strength to rack it, can just to push the magazine up and have a ready gun.
That peep hole "round in chamber indicator" is common to all other standard versions.
I special-ordered the CA version even though my state doesn't require it. It allows me to rack and load one round, then drop the magazine down just a bit. That way my wife, who doesn't have to have the strength to rack it, can just to push the magazine up and have a ready gun.
That peep hole "round in chamber indicator" is common to all other standard versions.
Ten Round Issue
Interesting that you keep making an issue of the 10 Magazine limit in some states.
Surely, when in the military you carried a Colt 45 with a 6 or 7 round magazine, depending on the version. I know I did, but not full time, only when Officer of the Deck in port, and when on Shore patrol. (In Formosa in particular, the Chinese were still shelling the islands in my day.)
Never fired the weapon except when qualifying, and that was tough on the ears. In those days we just had cotton to stuff in our ears!
I suggest we stop being critical of folks who own guns that meet specific state limits.
Regarding the Colt .45, check out Terry's website. I know him and have been a long time diving buddy of his dad. Terry is trying to retire, but apparently still works from his wheelchair, doing only custom work, since his arms were not paralyzed in the accident. If you check his website you will see that his price to even look at a gun is more than we pay for our SD9's.
Go Here:
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Interesting that you keep making an issue of the 10 Magazine limit in some states.
Surely, when in the military you carried a Colt 45 with a 6 or 7 round magazine, depending on the version. I know I did, but not full time, only when Officer of the Deck in port, and when on Shore patrol. (In Formosa in particular, the Chinese were still shelling the islands in my day.)
Never fired the weapon except when qualifying, and that was tough on the ears. In those days we just had cotton to stuff in our ears!
I suggest we stop being critical of folks who own guns that meet specific state limits.
Regarding the Colt .45, check out Terry's website. I know him and have been a long time diving buddy of his dad. Terry is trying to retire, but apparently still works from his wheelchair, doing only custom work, since his arms were not paralyzed in the accident. If you check his website you will see that his price to even look at a gun is more than we pay for our SD9's.
Go Here:
Tussey Custom - Custom pistols with distinctive appearance and innovative design!
And Apex makes a replacement part for the pop-up indicator, for use when a California pistol ends up out of state.
https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/192083
https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/192083
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