Selleck's holster in "Blue Bloods"

[samcolt45]

Anyone here have a firm understanding og Bucheimer holsters?

Ideally, I'd like to find a similar model for my my Model 38 and Colt Detective Special. Of course I'd need two different holsters. However, I've narrowed the playingfield of potential brands to a handful, including Brauer Bros. and Bucheimer. Unfortunately, theyall have a very similar design, and while my gut says it's a Bucheimer, I have yet to find any remotely similar-looking models in brown, which would accent thepistol better than the more common black. At present, there are two pieces of informationI am lacking: the model name and the corresponding product code for a left-handed, 2-inch D-frame (whicha former manager at Bucheimer told me is enough tousher a migraine).Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Samcolt45

 

[GJH77]

samcolt45
Hope this will help. I think I got this off the forum here at some point. As to finding one- check ebay for a good used one to fit whatever you want.

 

[-db-]

It appears to be one of the spring type crossdraw holsters that were made by Bucheimer, Clark and/or Bucheimer/Clark.

An odd position he's carrying that there.

 

[-db-]

If you wouldn't mind a black one, robbt has one listed here, a lefty Clark, for 2" snubs (about halfway down the page): http://smith-wessonforum.com/access...t-daily-additions-come-visit-buy-me-beer.html

 

[chief38]

No offense intended here. While it may look "cool" and "nostalgic" that type of holster is not very safe anymore. They leave the trigger and hammer exposed and have the opened side. There are way better designs today! If you want it for the cool & nostalgia I understand, but better to get a more modern rig for serious carry IMHO.

Chief38

 

[blujax01]

No offense intended here. While it may look "cool" and "nostalgic" that type of holster is not very safe anymore. They leave the trigger and hammer exposed and have the opened side. There are way better designs today! If you want it for the cool & nostalgia I understand, but better to get a more modern rig for serious carry IMHO.

Chief38

Chief I think the OP is trying to complement the look of the Fitz job on the revolver. Which in and of itself isn't the safest way to carry, right?

It's interesting how the mindset has changed from "clear leather and spit lead as quickly as possible" to "safety first" over the past hundred years. Better? Worse? I can't say.

But it is one sexy rig.

 

[CO_Kid]

I have a copy of "No second place winner" and I too have wondered about the change in mindset from speed to security.

I suppose they both have their pros and cons. There are fewer officers killed with their own guns nowadays, but on the downside, how many officers with high security holsters would have survived their gunfight had they been able to engage that fraction of a second sooner? Those stats aren't able to be calculated.

 

[adwjc]

Similar holsters were being sold in the NY/NJ area in the '70s and "80s , made by JayPee

 

[Road Rat]

Yep. That looks like the Bucheimer "semi-shoulder" holsters. Note...the ones I have seen only work with a 1 inch belt!!

Works great for use while driving......

 

[WR Moore]

Those with nostaglia for old style holsters should have to wear one for a month or so. I'm old enough to have seen the introduction of the revolutionary thumb break safety strap. Glory Halleluja!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About retention holsters, there was the Speed Safety (clamshell-seen on Adam 12) that depended on a spring loaded hinge to open the holster. [Some folks had great fun sneaking up on users and hitting the release button and running.] There was also a holster made for NJ that had a spring steel tab inside the trigger guard that had to depressed and held down to draw the piece.

I could go on, but many of the old holsters belong in museums or as sterling examples of how far we've come in improving things.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

No offense intended here. While it may look "cool" and "nostalgic" that type of holster is not very safe anymore. They leave the trigger and hammer exposed and have the opened side. There are way better designs today! If you want it for the cool & nostalgia I understand, but better to get a more modern rig for serious carry IMHO.

Chief38

I've been carrying daily, in and out of uniform, since 1968. I've been making holsters since 1972, and have seen quite a few innovations and changes. For what it may be worth, here are my observations.

We very seldom saw holsters with covered trigger guards until about the mid-1980's. This change appears to have been related to introduction of striker-fired semi-autos (particularly the Glock) without external manual safeties, and quite a few accidental and unintentional discharges.

The holsters commonly used for double action revolvers almost all featured completely exposed trigger guards (Threepersons' style, which started the ball rolling in about 1920, followed by others offered by just about every holster maker in the country). The clamshell style holsters, such as used by LAPD and California Highway Patrol back in the 1960's and 1970's, not only had exposed trigger guards, drawing the weapon required putting the trigger finger through the trigger guard to hit the release button.

No one thought anything about it. Modern DA revolvers (S&W, Colt, Ruger, Dan Wesson, and others) typically require around 15 to 20 pounds of pressure on the trigger to cycle the action and fire the weapon, and trigger pressure must be constant throughout the hammer fall otherwise the internal safety block will prevent the hammer from discharging the weapon. You can load a S&W double action revolver, cock the hammer, and strike the trigger with an object sharply, and the hammer will fall on the internal safety without the firing pin reaching the primer at all. When carried normally (not cocked for SA use) in a holster with exposed trigger guard it would be incredibly unlikely for the trigger to be contacted by anything in such a way that discharging the weapon could result, and I have never heard of such an incident happening.

Now, with today's crop of "wonder nines" having striker firing mechanisms and no external mechanical safeties, anything contacting the trigger mechanism and applying about 5 to 6 pounds of pressure is likely to discharge the weapon.

In my opinion, modern (post WW2) double action American made revolvers are relatively safe in just about any holster, whereas holster design is a major consideration with many of today's semi-auto pistols. The move toward requiring covered trigger guards (by law enforcement agencies, public ranges, private ranges, and instructors) has been a matter of applying a single standard to all handguns and holsters, and likely driven by insurance underwriting requirements as well.

Best regards.

 

[GLV]

LoboGunLeather

Excellent post!

I bought a Dick Special in the mid 60's while still in the military. Retired in 70, and used the Bucheimer Semi Shoulder for carry for many year. The neat thing about it was the ability to unsnap and remove the holster from the carry position, and what was left on the belt was not recognizable as anything to do with the holster.

I gave the gun to youngest son, but the holster got away from me somehow.

I have carried lots of revolvers, and a few 1911's in exposed
trigger guard holsters, and never thought about it. Still have some and use them. Lobo's point is well made, but neither he or I are spring chickens either.

 

[imjin138]

I watch Dragnet re-runs and see those holsters all the time, and then I think of Robbt's adds. I bought similar ones from him and I think they are neat holsters.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I have a Speed Safety holster for my Smith & Wesson Model 37 like that in black except mine has a snap-off safety strap to augment the tension screw. (I don't use the safety strap.) It works on either side since it rides almost vertically. The Bucheimer semi-shoulder holsters could be used with or without the extension piece that raised them up. I keep looking for one for my Model 10-5 but just can't find one I want for the right price.

My duty holster is a thumb-break, and I have an old Bucheimer "Concealer" for my 3 inch Model 13. Otherwise, I'm strictly an "open top" holster guy. I've never had any retention problems, even when rolling in the median after a cager ran me into the curb. (No matter what kind of holster you wear, crashing a motorcycle while carrying will leave bruises, big nasty bruises!)

ECS

 

[les.b]

Ok, I'm three years or so late to the party. How about this one?

 

[Watchdog]

Those with nostaglia for old style holsters should have to wear one for a month or so. I'm old enough to have seen the introduction of the revolutionary thumb break safety strap.

Not sure what kind of holster would be considered "old style", but maybe a Threepersons would be? I don't have to carry, but 90% of the time I do (especially in winter time), I'm carrying in a Threepersons holster. Nostalgia doesn't even figure into it. It's always seemed very practical to me to have the trigger/trigger guard on revolvers exposed.

For me, some things just don't ever go out of style, period.

I don't see anything all that great about thumb break holsters. I do have one, but have never used it. I reckon it's a case of "to each his own".

 

[RSanch111]

I have a copy of "No second place winner" and I too have wondered about the change in mindset from speed to security.

I suppose they both have their pros and cons. There are fewer officers killed with their own guns nowadays, but on the downside, how many officers with high security holsters would have survived their gunfight had they been able to engage that fraction of a second sooner? Those stats aren't able to be calculated.

For what it's worth: In the real word, bad guys don't die or "fall out" in "a fraction of a second". If you're counting on not being shot because you fired a fraction of a second before the bad guy.........Don't.

 

[RSanch111]

Not sure what kind of holster would be considered "old style", but maybe a Threepersons would be? I don't have to carry, but 90% of the time I do (especially in winter time), I'm carrying in a Threepersons holster. Nostalgia doesn't even figure into it. It's always seemed very practical to me to have the trigger/trigger guard on revolvers exposed.

For me, some things just don't ever go out of style, period.

I don't see anything all that great about thumb break holsters. I do have one, but have never used it. I reckon it's a case of "to each his own".

Looks to me like there's a leather "thong" on your hammer. I can draw and fire from my thumb break holster in a half second AFTER the buzzer on the timer. Can you do it faster?

 

[10mmauto]

Yes. (Kydex).

 

[OKFC05]

The move toward requiring covered trigger guards (by law enforcement agencies, public ranges, private ranges, and instructors) has been a matter of applying a single standard to all handguns and holsters, and likely driven by insurance underwriting requirements as well.

Insurance, range owners, not to mention competition sanctioning organizations. Most of us old revolver shooters know the old holsters are safe for revolvers, and are most worried about guys showing up with a plastic fantastic in a holster that exposes the trigger, is not formed to the gun (nylon sock) and has the retention strap cut off (for a super fast draw?).
Had to start a new guy with gun in hand at the last IDPA match.
He questioned why I did not have to have a retention strap on my fitted retention Safariland revolver holster (that covered the trigger.)