Just wondering if i send out my 66-2 to have the trijicon sight relamped when the FFL gets it back do i have to fill out a new 4473 to get it in my possession
sending a gun for work (repairs)
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Not in my experience.
BigDog48
US Veteran
Call or email Trijicon. They are great folks and will help you sort it out. They just relamped the sights on my Beretta 92 very reasonably and quickly, and they explained the steps I needed to take in advance. They are very friendly.
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When sending a gun to the "factory" for repair, does it need to be returned to an FFL or directly back to you?
Well I have legally sent 3 guns back to the factory working under the instructions of the companies involved. They sent them back to us at my house, No FFL involved. The latest was a Ruger.22 S AUTO Pistol about 7 months ago. Before that I did my Springfield XDs .45 in that big recall they had!
Added, both UPS and FedX came right to the house picked them up and returned them when fixed
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BigDog48
US Veteran
Directly to you, at least in the case of Ruger and S&W repair facilities.
A repair can sent to & go directly back to the original owner from the FFL/Gunsmith. No need to send it back thru an FFL at the owners end (unless some state or local law is in place). No 4473 or NICS involved as there is no transfer of ownership of the firearm.
The problem here is that the UPS/FEDEX/USPO folks will usually block the shipping of a firearm by other than an FFL when you show up at the customer counter. (Handguns can't go USPO except by FFL dealers anyway.) Depends on how they feel that day I think.
Many times the larger warrenty stations and mfg will send you a UPS or FedEx shipping tag for your item.
You box it up, slap the shipping tag on it and drop it off or have UPS/FedEx pick up and off it goes pre addressed.
Then they'll ship it legally right back to your door.
If it's sent for repair from XYZ Guns Shop, it'll be logged in from XYZ Guns SHop and will be shipped back to XYZ Guns Shop upon completion.
Then the XYZ G/S (FFL) will have to do the 4473/NICS on you just so you can get your gun back.
I know,,they could just hand it to you knowing it's 'yours' and where it came from, but you're asking the local FFL to skip booking in and out a firearm that's been booked out to them by another FFL.
Thats the stuff people loose their FFL over.
The problem here is that the UPS/FEDEX/USPO folks will usually block the shipping of a firearm by other than an FFL when you show up at the customer counter. (Handguns can't go USPO except by FFL dealers anyway.) Depends on how they feel that day I think.
Many times the larger warrenty stations and mfg will send you a UPS or FedEx shipping tag for your item.
You box it up, slap the shipping tag on it and drop it off or have UPS/FedEx pick up and off it goes pre addressed.
Then they'll ship it legally right back to your door.
If it's sent for repair from XYZ Guns Shop, it'll be logged in from XYZ Guns SHop and will be shipped back to XYZ Guns Shop upon completion.
Then the XYZ G/S (FFL) will have to do the 4473/NICS on you just so you can get your gun back.
I know,,they could just hand it to you knowing it's 'yours' and where it came from, but you're asking the local FFL to skip booking in and out a firearm that's been booked out to them by another FFL.
Thats the stuff people loose their FFL over.
onebadvet
US Veteran
I sent two guns and different time to S&W using Fed X, and they were delivered to the house, BUT you have to be there to sign for them.
They will not leave at the door, even if you instruct them to so, not allowed.
They will not leave at the door, even if you instruct them to so, not allowed.
bearman49709
Member
In your first paragraph you correctly state no 4473/NICS needed because there is no change of ownership.
In your last paragraph you incorrectly stated a 4473/NICS is needed because it is logged in and then out by the FFL.
Again there is no change of ownership, the FFL simply logs it back out as returned to owner from repair or warranty work.
Ben_hutcherson
Member
I'm not a lawyer and firearms laws can be complicated(as we all know).
With that said, it's my understanding that the whole shipping thing comes down to whether or not the repair facility is an FFL. That would be an -01 for gunsmiths and -07 for manufacturers.
If you are shipping to either of the above, you can ship it yourself and they can ship it back to you with no paperwork involved unless you have local laws that say otherwise.
The last gun I shipped was to Ruger. They emailed me a Fed-Ex label and I boxed the gun up and took it to the hub. As per my understanding of the law, you have to verbally declare it as a firearm when handing it over, although the box can not have any indication of it being as such. I think that the shipping label they sent was even addressed to "SRC, Inc" or something along those line. Also, it's my understanding that Kinkos/the UPS store/etc either can't or won't take them-you have to go directly to the hub.
Two weeks later, the gun showed up back on my doorstep. I think it SHOULD have been signature required, but the driver left it without getting one.
With that said, it's my understanding that the whole shipping thing comes down to whether or not the repair facility is an FFL. That would be an -01 for gunsmiths and -07 for manufacturers.
If you are shipping to either of the above, you can ship it yourself and they can ship it back to you with no paperwork involved unless you have local laws that say otherwise.
The last gun I shipped was to Ruger. They emailed me a Fed-Ex label and I boxed the gun up and took it to the hub. As per my understanding of the law, you have to verbally declare it as a firearm when handing it over, although the box can not have any indication of it being as such. I think that the shipping label they sent was even addressed to "SRC, Inc" or something along those line. Also, it's my understanding that Kinkos/the UPS store/etc either can't or won't take them-you have to go directly to the hub.
Two weeks later, the gun showed up back on my doorstep. I think it SHOULD have been signature required, but the driver left it without getting one.
A lot of the gun companies use a nom de plume to try to hide what in the package. It might work on some people but my UPS & FX guys laugh when they hand me certain packages.
We had both legal pick up and return on the two guns we sent back to the company. Nice when they both pick up and return our guns, saves a loooooong drive!
Anything like that says right on the package and the hand held the driver uses ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED.
We (wife and me) get a lot of stuff delivered to the house and if were not home even though some items say sig required they leave them under the car port if were not home. We are at the end of a 1/2 mile steep twisty driveway and not many people come up here. As I said above a seasoned driver knows the aliases and only very important items like guns and some things my wife gets normally get signed for. As far as I'm concerned we have good drivers way out here in the boonies!
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Tyrod
Member
In the case of S&W, the label address will read SAW. The common carrier will come and pick it up if you schedule a pickup, free of charge. That avoids the whole hub thing. You must tell the driver it is a firearm. You should have to sign for it upon return. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't, depends on the driver.
In the second instance you have to be careful,,IF the local FFL logs the gun in from you as a Repair,,and then sends it along to another gunsmith/FFL for the work,,,gets it back repaired,,the local FFL can return the gun to it's original owner w/ 4473/NICS.
You are right,,no change of ownership as it was taken in as a repair, does not matter that another FFL did the work, a paper trail follows the gun around.
However, if you are using your local FFL dealer as mearly a convenience to ship the firearm,, the local FFL is doing a transfer of that firearm to the other FFL. It won't be logged in as a 'Repair' or in his Repair Log Book.
If he just lists it in his Buy/Sell log book, it'll be logged out to the repair FFL.
Back in from the repair FFL when recv'd after the work,,then the disposition back to the original owner.
This last entry in the Buy/Sell logbook requires that either a 4473/nics or a FFL be on file for each disposition transaction in that log.
You're correct,,I should have better stated that it may require you to do a 4473/nics to get your own gun back.
Depends on how the local FFL logs the transaction as an aquisition or as a Repair in a separate log book..
Not quite the same but with the same surprised looks on the owners face is when they have to do a 4473/nics to get 'their own gun' back after it's been left on consignment( with an FFL) but did not sell.
Just leaving it for consignment sale w/the FFL is a transfer of ownership. It's logged in and then has to be logged out. That log out disposition requires a 4473/nics or an FFL copy on file.
