Sent back again

[hudson69]

I have sent my CSX back to Smith and Wesson again for the same reason. This will be the third time. The reason is that the trigger will lock up. The hammer is fully cocked. The safety is off. There are no pins in the trigger blocking movement. However, until I rack the slide again the trigger will not budge.

After the second time I sent it in it ran well for a while so I had the slide cut for a red dot. I really hope that doesn't interfere with Smith trying again to duplicate this random malfunction. It would be nice to have a reliable micro SAO. The only one I have now is a FN Reflex.

 

[armorer951]

So the trigger locks up while you're shooting it? You fire a round or two then, after the slide fully cycles, the trigger will not pull back?


Carter

 

[hudson69]

So the trigger locks up while you're shooting it? You fire a round or two then, after the slide fully cycles, the trigger will not pull back?


Carter

Yup. It is completely random. I got it to do this once after cleaning it and just racking the slide to see if I could make it happen without a round going through and all of the forces that are involved with that action. However, much like on the range I had to rack the slide at least 50 times to make it do it. Once it was locked back I tried to see if there was something obvious involved. I could not discern that the issue was.

So three times total at the range and once off the range. I know that this isn't a lot, however I have never had this happen with a Glock, or an FN or a CZ.

I am a certified USAF armorer; I went through the CATM school. I have been through the Glock Armorer's school. I am not a gunsmith. So I know a little about the topic but not enough to diagnose and I am not about to go through a CSX. The extent of my doing anything with it has been a fiber-optic front sight and sending the slide off to be milled for a red dot.

 

[Fastbolt]

Did you send it back with the hammer in the 'stuck' condition?

While I have several armorer certifications for S&W firearms, none of them cover the CSX, and I'm also not a gunsmith, so I won't presume to try and guess what's causing the failure-to-fire in that model.

That said, I'd not be surprised that if it turns out not to be something about the tolerances of one or more of some of the smaller parts and assemblies (did they say they replaced them the first time you sent it back?), then it would be reasonable to look at something about the frame tolerances, which affects the parts function under just the wrong condition.

Let us know what Pistol Repair says ...

 

[hudson69]

When I sent it back it was unloaded and hammer forward. The previous two times this went to S&W it was returned once with no information about it. I did call and was told that they could not duplicate the malfunction. That it function checked fine and was thus returned. The second time it came back with a note that said the same thing.

When I sent it off this time I left a note and in large black sharpie, underlined several time I may have mentioned that the malfunction was "RANDOM". I hope that they got my message and will do more with it than cycle it a hundred times, clean and return it. It is on it's way back tomorrow. Hopefully something has been done. This is getting to be annoying.

On another note I have found a replacement slide for it. If I can get this thing to be reliable(?). I can decide if I want to have a dot or just night sights/fiber-optic sights.

In any event I will post up what S&W says they did or did not do. If it's nothing again I will work it until I get another lock up and send it back yet again.

 

[Autonomous]

Dang.
Do not let them wear you down.

 

[hudson69]

I got it back. Either they did nothing because I had it milled for a red dot or they replaced the trigger. I had two pieces of paper. One looked like a receipt, Repair Order Completion. It said, "Trigger Sticks" and "replace trigger". The other one was on a poorly mass copied page that starts with, "Dear Smith & Wesson Customer:" and "We wish to inform you that your handgun/long gun doe not require any service for the reason(s) indicated below:" It was marked and high lighted: The enclosed handgun/long gun has been altered beyond our manufacturing standared.

If this is the case I will try again after returning it to stock. All I did was have the slide milled for a dot. I can put it back to stock if that is what it takes for them to tell me what is wrong with it.