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folks are lining up to get a shot at purchasing the fairly new 365 9mm gun they are churning out . i will swallow my pride & say i am also thinking of the same . hate to replace my glock 43 , but 10 or 12 rounds of 9 mm is tempting ..... let alone it is in a nearly sized 380 package ! bout 18 0z to boot . even hickcock 45 gave it a great review and called it a game changer . i must agree.
he brought up a good point , being to give the magazine's some time & run many mags thru many guns to see if they continue to hold up with that type of high capacity performance . he also said that the mag was designed & secondly the gun was designed around the magazine. i shoot my g43 good & did not think i would ever like to switch BUT that sig is a great set up.
will hold up judgement for a while before i make a move. would like to see someone run an extended test with the 365 sig , the glock 43 & a S&w shield & / or a s&w military & police in a side by side 2000-25000 round test in each one . if they prove out , the 365 is going to be had by a lot of people that carry !
 
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rock n roll kid said:
folks are lining up to get a shot at purchasing the fairly new 365 9mm gun they are churning out . i will swallow my pride & say i am also thinking of the same . hate to replace my glock 43 , but 10 or 12 rounds of 9 mm is tempting ..... let alone it is in a nearly sized 380 package ! bout 18 0z to boot . even hickcock 45 gave it a great review and called it a game changer . i must agree.
he brought up a good point , being to give the magazine's some time & run many mags thru many guns to see if they continue to hold up with that type of high capacity performance . he also said that the mag was designed & secondly the gun was designed around the magazine. i shoot my g43 good & did not think i would ever like to switch BUT that sig is a great set up.
will hold up judgement for a while before i make a move. would like to see someone run an extended test with the 365 sig , the glock 43 & a S&w shield & / or a s&w military & police in a side by side 2000-25000 round test in each one . if they prove out , the 365 is going to be had by a lot of people that carry !
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Not for me they didn't....sticking with my Shield 45 and my 10 round shield....

magguts 10 round package.jpg

Not saying it will not become a popular weapon, but for any new design weapon it has to prove itself which the 365 has not done in my opinion. Maybe after a year with no problems it could be considered proven but with Sig's latest couple of years track record it certainly is not proven at this date.
 
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I hear you. I love my West German P226 and P228. The later German-marked P228 gets regular carry. However, all of the love and happiness goes away once it gets to Exeter.

I was an early adopter of the P290. The laser included in the package drained a single battery every 36 hours. Sent it off to Exeter and they kept it for 14 months before "giving" me the value of the laser in magazines at the overpriced, full retail from Sig amount.

Also, the P290 has one SigLite completely burnt out from the box. It was an online transaction, so I dealt with Sig. Sent it back and forth. Took forever.

My trigger was fine and revolver-like in my P290 but they redesigned the guns quickly to the P290RS. I couldn't give the original P290 away for half what I paid for it.

Now, the P320. I have the FDE version. I'm not sure what they were thinking but the FDE finish on the slide is about as durable as spray paint. Then - of course - we have the whole trigger job debacle. Got that finished up and back finally.

In short order, they changed the grip module / slide stop arrangement on the P320. Gotta watch out for that or change out the slide stop to the newer version.

Then let's look at the X-Carry grip modules! I like it! But wait... that grip module won't work with any previous P320 magazine! It must be a base plate with a circle Sig logo and not the full "Sig Sauer" logo. The new base plates are somewhat more slim. Oh... and most people including Sig don't have the new base plates.

My older Sigs I love as much as my 3rd Gen Smith autos. Exeter though seems to be mercurial and pushes ill thought out designs - constantly changing what they release into the wild.

I think the design of the P365 is a game changer. I also wouldn't touch one until they've been out for a year or two and into the third revision. (We've already seen one revision, right?)
 
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"NEW" means "new".......maybe different but not necessarily "better"......

Smaller means "smaller" ...... but from a practical point not necessarily "more concealable".

Call me an old foggy if you want...... but I've still not seen enough of a reason(s) to switch from my 3913, 6906/PC Shorty-9s

Wild Bill Hickok stuck to his guns ........ .36 Colt 1851 Navy cap and ball revolvers..... his mistake was not his choice of guns..... but not sitting with his back to a wall!!

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It looks like whatever space the grip width takes up is used to hold rounds, instead of to hold useless wasted empty space. Little to no wasted space in the grip width. Nice. Very.
I hope the .40 version will also have a nice total m.e. to platform volume ratio.
 
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I'll stick with my Shield. If someone made a belt fed 9mm compact somebody would buy it. Accurate shot placement always prevails over "spray & pray". My $0.02.
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Based on that comment, your Shield must be a single shot? And you don't carry an extra bullet?

My 2 and a half cent's worth. The stock market rebounded.
 
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It would be hard to move away from my G26. Sure it's bigger and the capacity is the same (sort of --- my backup mag is usually a G17 mag with a +2 floorplate) but not tremendously so.

If SIG makes a factory upgraded version (say an X-Five) that might be something I would just have to check out.
 
I think I'd give the 365 a little time in the marketplace before I purchased one. Sig seems to have an issue with rushing products to market before working out the bugs.
 
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I think I'd give the 365 a little time in the marketplace before I purchased one. Sig seems to have an issue with rushing products to market before working out the bugs.
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That's good advice ... Sig sure does...

They knew at Shot Show the 365 had problems...
The team from Guns and Ammo even brought it to there attention at range day with the failures to return to battery.

Sig released the gun in spite of knowing....using the new buyers as test subjects....Then the stoppage of shipments to correct that and other problems.....

Now in a rush to meet backorders who know's....

Yes, giving time is wise, on any new gun.....

But hey...if the 365 fills your want/desire/need/ego....get it now.....
 
Have you wondered why everyone wants to compare the 365 to the 43 and go ga-ga over all the extra rounds in the Sig?

It's called a Glock 26. It's barely even bigger than the Sig--about .25", measured at the slide stop, the Glock's widest part. The rest of the dimensions are about the same. Once you factor in the holster, there's barely a difference. For that tiny increase in width, you get:

--All the holsters, ever. Everybody makes a holster compatible with the 26. And if the holster is open-bottomed, generally-speaking, the same holster that fits a 26 will also take a 19, or a 17, or even a 34, or their .40/.357 Sig counterparts.

--A pistol that's been "field-tested" for years.

--Whatever accessories you want. Dozens of different sights, magazine baseplates, etc. And I haven't even gotten into all the parts that are stupid to put on a carry pistol.

Is the Sig 365 a bad gun? Probably not. I doubt that Sig will manage to screw up at Remington levels. I won't even dogpile them for early recalls and issues, because anybody that watches the pistol game knows that everybody has those problems with new models.

Is it some kind of revolutionary, game-changing pistol? Hardly. And certainly not any more than last spring's revolutionary game-changer, or the one before that, or the one before that.
 
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