Smith Wesson 469 extractor question
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VASCAR2
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It looks chipped to me. I checked and Numrich Arms (gunparts.com) appear to have a replacement in stock. There is a pretty good picture of a used 469 extractor and yours looked damaged compared to that picture.
Smith & Wesson Model 469 Parts | Gun Parts Corp.
Smith & Wesson Model 469 Parts | Gun Parts Corp.
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Thank You. It looks chipped to me..
Alk8944
US Veteran
It's chipped. Always load from the magazine, never drop a round in the chamber and then drop slide. That will break the extractor eventually.
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Fastbolt
Member
Yep, looks like a chip caused by either improper loading of the chamber, or even hard use and 'work-hardening'.
Pics of newer 3rd gen 9mm extractor (not chipped) and an older style, chipped extractor.
If the older extractor has been used long enough to become chipped, the extractor spring might need to be replaced, too. They can become weakened over time/use.
There came a point when our early production 3rd gen guns were reaching 12-15yrs old, and a few of the extractors started to exhibit chipping. It wasn't uncommon for the springs to also have to be replaced, and the ejectors to develop broken tips. (Extractors and ejectors are hard working 'pairs'.
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FWIW, replacing extractors usually means fitting them (filing the adjustment pads so the hook reach falls within proper tolerance).
S&W finally started selling armorers a Wagner Force Dial gauge to use to measure extractor spring tension, and giving armorers a variety of different strength extractor springs to use to get the tension to fall within the proper range in any particular gun.
The older guns had some variable tolerances, including in the machining of the extractor spring well hole, since some of the equipment was still hand-operated. If the bottom of the spring hole wasn't milled completely flat, the standard spring might not be able to sit flat. They offered a special spring set, with a longer narrow spring nested inside a lighter normal-sized spring. They also revised the upper recommended limit of the measured tension if the nested set of repair springs were used, and it was done on a case-by-case basis (meaning it couldn't be so heavy that feeding issues resulted). Eventually, that nested set of repair springs was discontinued, replaced by a pair of different strength springs for armorers to use to repair the older guns.
I was told the factory repair techs would use a hand-turned ball end mill to adjust the outside edges of bottom of the spring hole (if it hadn't been machined flat, in the first place), but they wanted to keep things simple for field armorers.
BTW, the filing was done and checked using a factory Go/No-Go bar gauge to measure the distance from the edge of the extractor hook to the opposite side breech face shoulder. In the early days they also gave armorers a 'flag' Go-No-Go gauge to use, to measure the distance between the hook's edge and the breech face, but they later decided it wasn't needed.
Pics of newer 3rd gen 9mm extractor (not chipped) and an older style, chipped extractor.
If the older extractor has been used long enough to become chipped, the extractor spring might need to be replaced, too. They can become weakened over time/use.
There came a point when our early production 3rd gen guns were reaching 12-15yrs old, and a few of the extractors started to exhibit chipping. It wasn't uncommon for the springs to also have to be replaced, and the ejectors to develop broken tips. (Extractors and ejectors are hard working 'pairs'.
)FWIW, replacing extractors usually means fitting them (filing the adjustment pads so the hook reach falls within proper tolerance).
S&W finally started selling armorers a Wagner Force Dial gauge to use to measure extractor spring tension, and giving armorers a variety of different strength extractor springs to use to get the tension to fall within the proper range in any particular gun.
The older guns had some variable tolerances, including in the machining of the extractor spring well hole, since some of the equipment was still hand-operated. If the bottom of the spring hole wasn't milled completely flat, the standard spring might not be able to sit flat. They offered a special spring set, with a longer narrow spring nested inside a lighter normal-sized spring. They also revised the upper recommended limit of the measured tension if the nested set of repair springs were used, and it was done on a case-by-case basis (meaning it couldn't be so heavy that feeding issues resulted). Eventually, that nested set of repair springs was discontinued, replaced by a pair of different strength springs for armorers to use to repair the older guns.
I was told the factory repair techs would use a hand-turned ball end mill to adjust the outside edges of bottom of the spring hole (if it hadn't been machined flat, in the first place), but they wanted to keep things simple for field armorers.
BTW, the filing was done and checked using a factory Go/No-Go bar gauge to measure the distance from the edge of the extractor hook to the opposite side breech face shoulder. In the early days they also gave armorers a 'flag' Go-No-Go gauge to use, to measure the distance between the hook's edge and the breech face, but they later decided it wasn't needed.
Fastbolt
Member
FYI, when we discovered an occasional chipped extractor on our aging early 3rd gen inventory, it wasn't because of extractor problems observed on the range, but it was as a consequence of attention during cleaning and any closer inspection. The guns were usually running fine.
Another retired guy brought me his well-worn 3913, which he'd used as a UC and off-duty weapon for many years. He'd just qualified with it and it was running fine, but as it was getting long in the tooth, he brought it to me for a general armorer inspection (since he knew I'd been trained as a 3rd gen armorer). I noticed his extractor was chipped and fitted a new one for him.
It wasn't a rare thing for older 3rd gen guns to be running fine on the range, even though they had small chips in their extractors.
One of the guys was shooting a 4516 one afternoon that he was thinking about buying from another cop, and he said he'd experienced a failure-to-extract. I tried the gun and experienced a failure-to-extract out of almost a box of rounds. I checked closer and saw there was a large chip out of the extractor. Fitted a new one. The owner decided he didn't want to sell it anymore.
One of my former partners had just done a qual on our range one morning (without any functioning problems). Since I wasn't otherwise busy with anything, and was bored, I offered to give his duty weapon a quick armorer level inspection. I noticed his extractor had a couple chips in it, so I fitted a new one (and replaced his ejector with a newer revised one).
Another retired guy brought me his well-worn 3913, which he'd used as a UC and off-duty weapon for many years. He'd just qualified with it and it was running fine, but as it was getting long in the tooth, he brought it to me for a general armorer inspection (since he knew I'd been trained as a 3rd gen armorer). I noticed his extractor was chipped and fitted a new one for him.
It wasn't a rare thing for older 3rd gen guns to be running fine on the range, even though they had small chips in their extractors.
One of the guys was shooting a 4516 one afternoon that he was thinking about buying from another cop, and he said he'd experienced a failure-to-extract. I tried the gun and experienced a failure-to-extract out of almost a box of rounds. I checked closer and saw there was a large chip out of the extractor. Fitted a new one. The owner decided he didn't want to sell it anymore.
One of my former partners had just done a qual on our range one morning (without any functioning problems). Since I wasn't otherwise busy with anything, and was bored, I offered to give his duty weapon a quick armorer level inspection. I noticed his extractor had a couple chips in it, so I fitted a new one (and replaced his ejector with a newer revised one).
