So what is this new bug going around?

[BC38]

It raises antibodies by eliciting an immune response. Runny nose, coughing, fever, inflammation, etc are all immune responses as well. Did you think you would get the anti bodies without the rest of the immune reaction?

I don't believe it works that way.
Do you get all the symptoms of measles, mumps, diphtheria, small pox, tetanus, rubella, meningitis, shingles, rabies etc. when you get a shot for them?
Of course not. Your body can and DOES build antibodies without producing all the symptoms of the disease.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

I don't believe it works that way.
Do you get all the symptoms of measles, mumps, diphtheria, small pox, tetanus, rubella, meningitis, shingles, rabies etc. when you get a shot for them?
Of course not. Your body can and DOES build antibodies without producing all the symptoms of the disease.

The side effects you get are typically described "flu like". Go figure! But don't take my word for it:

Common side effects from the flu shot include:

• Soreness, redness, and/or swelling from the shot
• Headache
• Fever
• Nausea
• Muscle aches

Flu Vaccine Safety Information | CDC

 

[LVSteve]

The side effects you get are typically described "flu like". Go figure! But don't take my word for it:
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Flu Vaccine Safety Information | CDC

Not everybody gets the side effects. Touch wood the flu vaccine has never triggered anything in me.

In my lifethe only reactions I've had are:-

Measles: Monster fever and delirium for 36 hours.

1st Pfizer COVID: minor fatigue and sore lymph nodes in my groin.

1st COVID booster (Pfizer): Nothing, nadad, zip.

2nd COVID booster (Moderna): Wiped out my Saturday with fatigue.

Recent bivalent COVID: Slight itch at injection site. No clue if the crud that followed three-four days later has been related or not.

 

[BC38]

The side effects you get are typically described "flu like". Go figure! But don't take my word for it:

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Flu Vaccine Safety Information | CDC

Ummm, yeah, the exact same list of POSSIBLE side effects that they list for a tetanus shot, and virtually EVERY vaccine on the market. Hell, those same possible reaction side effects are also listed for cancer drugs, insulin, arthritis drugs, psoriasis drugs, and virtually every pharmaceutical product on the market.

So from that are we to conclude that ALL diseases that we get vaccinated for are exactly the same as the flu, and that all vaccines and medicines are exactly the same?

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Ummm, yeah, the exact same list of POSSIBLE side effects that they list for a tetanus shot, and virtually EVERY vaccine on the market. Hell, those same possible reaction side effects are also listed for cancer drugs, insulin, arthritis drugs, psoriasis drugs, and virtually every pharmaceutical product on the market.

So from that are we to conclude that ALL diseases that we get vaccinated for are exactly the same as the flu, and that all vaccines and medicines are exactly the same?

It's your straw man, you tell me. All I said was that you could get flu like symptoms from the flu shot.

 

[BC38]

It's your straw man, you tell me. All I said was that you could get flu like symptoms from the flu shot.

No, that isn't all you said.
You also posed the theory that it was due to there being flu virus in the shot, and that the flu-like symptoms after the shot are your immune system reacting to it the same way it reacts to the flu.
All of which adds up to basically saying the flu shot gives you the flu.
Which is hokum.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

No, that isn't all you said.
You also posed the theory that it was due to there being flu virus in the shot,..

Which there is.

and that the flu-like symptoms after the shot are your immune system reacting to it the same way it reacts to the flu.

Which is supported by the CDC link I posted, and is exactly why it helps you develop antibodies.

All of which adds up to basically saying the flu shot gives you the flu.

Which I never said.

 

[BC38]

Which there is.

Yes DEAD (inactive) virus or PARTS of the virus. A dead virus or an incomplete part of a virus can't infect you.

Which is supported by the CDC link I posted, and is exactly why it helps you develop antibodies.

You are mistaken. Your immune system producing antibodies has nothing to do with your symptoms. The symptoms are your body's ways to try to physically remove the virus from your body, or in the case of the fever create conditions that reduces the virus ability to reproduce. Antibodies are hunter-killer cells that you body produces to go after the virus to kill it. The antibodies don't create symptoms. Totally unrelated responses.

Which I never said

The sum total of your statements amounts to "saying it without saying it". Just like you implied without saying it, that there are more respiratory illnesses right now due to other vaccines. But go ahead, play all the semantic games you want.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Yes DEAD (inactive) virus or PARTS of the virus. A dead virus or an incomplete part of a virus can't infect you.

"Dead" is a bit of a misnomer since a virus is never alive in the first place. Regardless, I never said the vaccine would infect you.

You are mistaken. Your immune system producing antibodies has nothing to do with your symptoms. The symptoms are your body's ways to try to physically remove the virus from your body, or in the case of the fever create conditions that reduces the virus ability to reproduce.

If your body knew the virus particles were harmless, why would it bother creating antibodies? The whole point is that your body detects something it knows is dangerous and mounts a defense against it. Again, don't take my word for it, click that CDC link I posted.

Totally unrelated responses.

In fact a direct correlation.

The sum total of your statements amounts to "saying it without saying it".

Whatever that means, it's your strawman, not my argument. To recap what I said, vs what you say I said: The flu vaccine can cause flu like symptoms.

Just like you implied without saying it, that there are more respiratory illnesses right now due to other vaccines.

For which there is mounting evidence. I would go so far as to say this is the 800lb gorilla in the room that medical researchers, gov't regulators, and the news media refuse to confront. I will go a step further and say that the aforementioned are well aware of this effect and are hiding it from the public.

 

[Dave_n]

What Paul et al do not realize is that the package insert (from which he is effectively quoting; aka the CDC list) is mandated to be listed for ALL approved medications. As mentioned earlier all the symptoms have been seen BUT NOT ALL IN ONE PATIENT. From clinical trial data any medium to severe response must be noted, so those effects might be from one respondent in millions of patients, or common in others. There is a volume known as the Physicians Desk Reference which has a copy of every listed medium to severe response for all approved drug entities. I spent over 50 years in pharma (UK/US) as a doctoral level research chemist / microbiologist, including 21 years in the drug discovery arm of the NCI and still consult even after 7 years retired. The comment above on "searching Google is quite apt" you need to go to the original reports, not those that have been "adjusted" for press consumption. Dave_n

 

[Telecaster]

Our daughter in 6th grade had a fever all weekend, felt generally crummy, puked yesterday, and today's doctor visit said it was a sinus infection likely started by allergies.

'Course, another doctor may have another opinion.

 

[URIT]

What if... what you've been told about the vaccine is a lie.

There are a lot of well respected professionals that believe we are witnessing, no, participating in genocide on a global scale.

What if they're right?

 

[Onomea]

Cue the Twilight Zone theme music...

 

[Rustyt1953]

Some of you could use this.

Help yourselves.