Some measures were voted out but confinscation was a part of the NY gun bill

[Travis15R]

Found this posted on the military arms channel today. Apparently there were measures that were voted on and not passed as part of the NY gun bill but one of them included confiscation. It is sad that they are trying to "hide it"or ashamed to admit that it was actually a consideration. It only seems like they are waiting for the right time to impose such legislation b/c it appears that it is already on their minds now.


Democrats want to register and then CONFISCATE our guns. See Descripition below. - YouTube

 

[hfl73]

They also wanted to put a 2 magazine limit on all guns. I am not sure who they expected to go out and enforce all these laws. I guess they figured since the legislation would reduce crime so much that LEO's would have quite a bit of time on their hands to knock on doors and have us voluntarily turn over our guns and excess mags.

 

[Travis15R]

If politicians put as much effort into curbing gang violence and shootings along with fixing the run down poor economically deprived sections of NY as they do with trying to destroy the 2A then we would not even be having this discussion about new gun laws. But as with all politicians common sense is not a strong fortitude for them.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Wait a minute...He states he hasn't seen it "the list of proposals" but a moment later asks that it not be published as it will hurt negotiations? How does he know it will if he hasn't seen it?, and "what negotiations"?. They didn't "negotiate" anything, it was rammed through.

 

[Old TexMex]

Thanks, that one will travel!

 

[Travis15R]

Wait a minute...He states he hasn't seen it "the list of proposals" but a moment later asks that it not be published as it will hurt negotiations? How does he know it will if he hasn't seen it?, and "what negotiations"?. They didn't "negotiate" anything, it was rammed through.

yes that is very strange

 

[handejector]

Listen closely. That small bit is really almost useless without knowing WHAT and WHEN.

What I hear-
That tape is apparently in the NY House.
He has a list of rejected proposals. The key word is 'rehected'. When a bill is first being put together, all kinds of brainstorming is done. They throw out any idea that occurs to them and make a list. They go back through the list and discard a lot, and keep what they think might succeed.
He somehow got hold of a list of all the points they considered in the NY Senate, including the discarded ones.

They talk for days to produce two paragraphs.
I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that bit of film.
Are we really surprised that they would discuss ALL topics, or that confiscation would be mentioned by one or more of them?

 

[Travis15R]

It does not matter that they were rejected talking points, the kicker is that it was actually a talking point. It shows that it is the end goal of some of the elected officials. Just b/c it was rejected does not mean it was rejected in our favor. If confiscation is the end goal for some they know it is something that cannot be done at this point in time. They would still need more "reasons" to do such a thing. Perhaps its not the right time, perhaps it is to soon. Just b/c some voted against it does not mean they do not support it, the timing just may not have been right it could have been to big of a step at this point and they know that.

These are just my thoughts and opinions but the fact that gun control laws and confiscation were discussed in the same sentence by any government official local or federal is just disturbing.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

What bothers me most about this "list" are the unknowns. Who wrote it and how deep is the support? We know the majority passed part of it, what we don't know is why. Was it political pressure from a popular governor? Personal conviction? Deal making (you support my bill, I support yours)? It's obvious they stirred up a hornets nest. As time goes by, and emotions cool (in Albany), it will be interesting to see where this goes. Especially if the governors popularity shrinks. The "list" in and of itself isn't as important as how much support there was for such radical laws then and, more importantly, in the future.

 

[LSUDVM]

GOP Assemblyman reveals that New York legislators were considering confiscation

Republican Assembly man Steve McLaughlin revealed on his Facebook page a list of proposals that were on the table but did not make into the final gun control legislation signed by Governor Cuomo.

Link

 

[Travis15R]

wow thats insane that they were really looking that deep into this. This only shows that this is what they want in the long run, if not then why would any of those points even come up? I'm sure all of that is part of stage 2 and stage 3. Anyone that thinks that NY would just stop at where they are with current gun laws is just fooling themselves.

 

[JenniferG]

They talk for days to produce two paragraphs.

I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that bit of film

That's normally the case that they talk for days or even weeks before they reach a sense of the compromise and pass a bill to send to the other chamber for a vote and reconciliation. This all happened within a 48 hours period and was rammed through to "get something done" not to serve the people, not to make things better or safer, to "get something done' That's the most disrespectful way for these people to treat freedom and to deal with the citizen's rights in such a haphazard and careless manner is beyond contemptible.

Yes,you're right I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that one piece of video, it's too short to mean anything in the context of this law. It doesn't give a sense on how this bill was railroaded through. This one does though, it's 15 minutes long and it gives you a sense of what kind of complete disregard that some representatives have for freedom, the Constitution and the public trust we place in these people to protect the rights of everyone.

http://youtu.be/8PDWemzcuIk

We can't use short video clips and pull out words to suit our purposes. That's the way the media and power grabbing politicians do things. We have to tell the whole story in a way that doesn't put people to sleep but gets the details correctly and in context of the situation.

 

[RabbitOne]

What I am most amazed at in these forums is people actually believe that liberals care about the laws or the constitution – they don’t. They firmly believe their beliefs are the law. How else can you explain a legislative body in N.Y. voting against the constitution?

During the next five years Obama will pack the courts with liberal judges. Once this is done they will generate all the liberal laws they want, constitution or no constitution, because the courts will no longer oppose Obama the press will laud him. .

 

[Travis15R]

Court opinion throws labor panel rulings, operation into question as White House slams decision | Fox News

This just shows that this administration does not care about the constitution. They skirt their way around it and out right defy it as much as they can. The law in NY is an out right slap in the face of the 2A. All of those who voted for this and that rat cuomo should be impeached and banned from office for not upholding their oath.