Some Photos from the NYPD Outdoor Range

[RichCapeCod]

Yeah, I know this is a firearms forum, but I've also noted a real interest on the part of a number of the guys in regard the NYPD Firearms and Tactics Section (FTS). So, for your enjoyment, here are a few photos:

The green patch was worn on our shirts and jackets. The Frank McGee's Marauders patch was an "unauthorized" bit of artistry. I highly value mine. Frank was a great guy and a great commanding officer of the FTS.


Wally giving a lecture on Bullet Potential (aka Terminal Ballistics), at the Firearms Instructors School. Around 1978.


Frank G. (not McGee!), an instructor, heading out to the range during school with a S&W 76 9mm sub-gun and, I believe, an M1 carbine (replaced with the Ruger Mini-14, now M4s I believe). The "snarL" on Frank's face was his war-face.


FI School, shotgun. I'm the handsome devil with the beard (I took a week's vacation to take the course. I was a homicide detective at the time.).



I'm the guy in the jacket (I was a lieutenant and served, besides running the FI School, Heavy Weapons Training and Research and Testing, as the unit's Integrity Control Officer). John Cerar was the CO standing next to me. The instructors were the unit's Master Firearms Instructors.


This shot was not taken at a FI School. I put the photo here to show you the shotgun. It was qualification when I was a detective in Bronx Central Robbery. I liked the 13" Ithaca model 37. Always took that shotgun out with me loaded with slugs. The gun has rifle sights on it. That little "sling" isn't. It's a safety strap to keep overly enthusiastic cops from blowing their fingers off should they become a bit too "excited."

 

[Stephanie B]

They should sell those little safety straps for KelTecs.

 

[dabney]

Chief, many thanks sir for sharing a part of 'your' NYPD-career with us. You are the 'ultimate' been there done that cop whose selfless devotion to the 'job' made life better for others! Job, very well done!

David

 

[kbm6893]

Exactly how I remember it! Hey Rich, were the inmates working in the kitchen then? I did have a few of those meatball subs! I figure if the instructors there would eat them, they must have been safe!

Do you know the name of the cop that was supposedly the model for the bad guy in the standard police target you can see behind the officers in the classroom? Rumor has it he was a NYC cop.

 

[RichCapeCod]

Exactly how I remember it! Hey Rich, were the inmates working in the kitchen then? I did have a few of those meatball subs! I figure if the instructors there would eat them, they must have been safe!

Do you know the name of the cop that was supposedly the model for the bad guy in the standard police target you can see behind the officers in the classroom? Rumor has it he was a NYC cop.

Yeah, the inmates were there! All non-violent guys, really helped keeping the place clean.

The target story is BS. Sorry. The rumor was that Sgt Freddie Worrel was the model, and, to be honets, that target looked like Freddie! But he wasn't. It was a guy from the printing section that was used.

Rich

 

[jpage]

Were the NYPD Ithaca M37's so marked ? Or marked in any way ? Thanks,Jim

 

[RichCapeCod]

Were the NYPD Ithaca M37's so marked ? Or marked in any way ? Thanks,Jim

I don't recall any specific markings on those shotgun. They were all modified with fixed rifle sights and slings on the 20" version and safety straps on the 13" barrel models.

We went to the model 37 because it was a high quality shotgun and we could get around the "lowest bid" requirement by specing the shotgun out for ambidextrous shooters (the model 37 both fed and ejected from the bottom).

Rich

 

[kbm6893]

Yeah, the inmates were there! All non-violent guys, really helped keeping the place clean.

The target story is BS. Sorry. The rumor was that Sgt Freddie Worrel was the model, and, to be honets, that target looked like Freddie! But he wasn't. It was a guy from the printing section that was used.

Rich

There was an article in the Daily News like 10 years ago about that target and I am sure a cop was taking the credit for it. I'm glad it was at least a NY guy.

Where'd the inmates come from? They bussed them in every day from Rikers?

 

[RichCapeCod]

...Where'd the inmates come from? They bussed them in every day from Rikers?

Exactly.

Rich

 

[Fred_G]

Awesome picts, thanks for them and your service.

 

[g8rb8]

Now that there is just plain BADA**. Sunglasses, a pipe in your mouth, and a 13" slam-firing shotgun.

Thanks for the photos, stories, and your service.

 

[Entropy]

Thanks for sharing.

Apprciate it.

 

[MajorD]

Nice pictures and history. For as much of a liberal hole the city is, they have a remarkable police department

 

[kbm6893]

You would find that most NYC cops are pretty gun friendly. They don't write the gun laws, but they are bound to enforce them. So when some Marine who feels like going to the Empire State Building with his Indiana permit, the cops are gonna arrest him. They're not gonna like it. They're not gonna count it as a good collar. But they're gonna enforce the laws of NY City.

 

[Jack Flash]

In the OP, picture 3, that is definitely an M1 Carbine. In Tales of the Stakeout Squad, Jim Cirillo said the little carbine was a favorite weapon with him and his colleagues. They did prefer them with shortened barrels and folding stocks.

Picture 2: I wouldn't want to be shot anywhere, but a #6 hit would be horrifying!

 

[Lt JL]

Those pics are from back in the day when REAL cops had mustaches !!

 

[kbm6893]

Cirrilo and has team reloaded their own hollow point ammo, which was totally against guidelines. They didn't care, and neither did the brass as long as the squad brought results

And when their rep got too hot, the job killed the unit. Bowing to PC idiots who would rather the robber got a pass.

 

[GerSan69]

I'd like to add my own thanks, Lt., for the great photos and memories from New York. Hope to read more when you have time to share!!

 

[Toyman]

I had the privilege of attending training session at NPRC in Des Moines in 1983. The featured speaker was Frank McGee and some other guy named Bill Jordan.
As I remember we had a discussion of the then current NYPD 158 grain semi wad cutter (?)vs. hollow points.

 

[Rick_A]

Cool. My favorite things in the service were going to the range and attending the schools. I still have dreams about it. Everything was structured, regimented, scheduled, and based on results. I responded well to that. The rest of the time I was on my own program which usually did not go favorably!