spy gun question?

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Dear Smith and Wesson Forum i have a question about spy guns. would a modern spy ever have use for a .22 caliber revolver any and all help in answering this question would be greatly appreciated sincerely and respectfully mg357 a proud member of the Smith and Wesson Forum
 
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I can't imagine a spy using a .22 revolver unless he/she had no choice; too big and clunky. A small .22 auto like the Walther TPH has been reportedly used by the Mossad and other agencies for assassination purposes. It can also be suppressed.

Charlie
 
If you were trying to make it look like an old time Mafia hit. Pull off the grips and wrap the handle with adhesive tape to make it harder to get fingerprints. Use and lose it.
 
It might help us to formulate an answer if we knew your reason for the question. Are you writing a book...or?
 
If a spy were trying to be sneaky, perhaps a semi auto .22 with a suppressor.

Semi has the advantage that you can suppress it. BUT- a revolver does not throw out the spent casings, so there is another piece of evidence not left behind. Just a thought. As mentioned in another post, I'm not sure about spies, but the Mafia has wacked plenty of stoolies with .22 revolvers!
 
Gary francis powers was the cia pilot of a U-2 that was shot down over russia. He carried I think a colt woodsman with a silencer. I belive it a great choice in his pecular circumstances, except he was caught by farmers with pitchforks as soon as he hit the ground. I knew gary slightly back around 1966 to 1971 or so. Lockheed, where I worked as a guard hired him as a test pilot when he was traded out of prision in russia. The silenced colt was issued him to forage with in case he had to live off the land, I dont belive to kill someone with, although it could. It would have been great to get a chicken dinner with from some farmers barn at night without being heard.
Now if a spy is caught with a silenced .22 It would be naturaly assumed it was to assasinate someone with. As garys job was to just fly over russia and turn the cameras on, in his case the gun was to give him a chance to survive off the land.
 
Semi has the advantage that you can suppress it. BUT- a revolver does not throw out the spent casings, so there is another piece of evidence not left behind. Just a thought. As mentioned in another post, I'm not sure about spies, but the Mafia has wacked plenty of stoolies with .22 revolvers!

You mean you CAN'T suppress a revolver!??!?!?!?!!? So you're saying all those suppressed revolvers on Hawaii Five-O is BS? :) :) :)
 
You can suppress any revolver. The degree of effectiveness will depend on cylinder gap and ammo. Russian Nagants are real quiet with subsonic ammo since they seal the gap at firing.
 
The Brits took all sorts of very real suppressed revolvers away from the IRA. You get some noise from the barrel cylinder gap, but a .22 isn't that loud anyway.

It depends on what you mean by a spy. Real spies, engaged in the act of gathering intelligence, won't make it a point to go about armed. For years CIA agent training was simply firing a few rounds out of a Chief's Special more or less just to say that you had.

Things are a bit more complicated if you lump various and sundry other agencies doing various sorts of intelligence/counter intelligence work into the "spy" category.

(Fun fact for those that haven't been around, the really nefarious stuff happens when a salary is paid by the Department of the Interior, not the DoD or DHS/what not. Has to do with legalities related to war crimes, etc.)

Call sort of thing "Men in Black" work for convenience. Some will have agency issues guns - Sig P229Rs were popular for a while, in .357 Sig. Copying the Secret Service I suppose. In the 1990s, sometimes sterile guns were used, trade in guns from other agencies, surplus from their orders, or officially ordered by other agencies. Circa 1996 a number of 92D Centurions with night sights dated three or four years earlier were floating around in such circles. Well before parts kits and AR building was popular, "inhouse" made CAR15s and A1s were also kicking around. The receivers would be completely sterile - no markings at all. The rest of the parts would be GI or commercial.

Suppressed Walther TPH or Beretta 950s (the long barreled ones in .22 short, stick them in the ear) would be something that would turn up years ago. Later a can on a Walther P22 or an integral unit on a Ruger (ever popular).

Revolvers.... Maybe actually. During that brief period when the 317 was the lightest game in town (back before it even had a lock). They used to be shown at trade shows hanging from a balloon and you could hang one around your neck via a lanyard. Something like that would have been carried on a low key "human intelligence" assignment if working domestic. Doesn't scream "cop or Fed" and is easily hidden. They were more reliable than the small .22 and .25 autos.

They're not that noisy, even with a short barrel. A room away, fired indoors, the signature sounds like a cap pistol went off.
 
Almost forgot about this: Years ago I had a friend/co-worker who had retired as a CID agent before he worked with us. He told me he was issued a 4" .22 lr Hi standard auto. I have a similar one called a HDM in 6".
 
I do know that once upon a time, certain CIA Operators carried a 9mm ASP...

Invented by Paris Theodore...
 
You mean you CAN'T suppress a revolver!??!?!?!?!!? So you're saying all those suppressed revolvers on Hawaii Five-O is BS? :) :) :)

I remember lots of "silenced" revolvers on 60s & 70s TV. I thought it especially funny that the silencer just slipped on (no threads), but never flew off when the gun was fired!
 
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