Surplus 3913 and 3914 - first look

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Just got home from picking up a 3913 and a 3914 from Sportsmans Superstore. There is a certain gambling quality to buying surplus, used guns that I kind of like, and these are no exception. I think I came out winner, but at the same time I cheerfully acknowledge being quite the fan of Third-Gen Smith & Wessons.

The ad for the pistols showed both LS and what I guess you'd call "plain" version of these two pistols, and I was happy to get both in the marked Lady Smith configuration, with that logo in script on both. They also came with two black leather Gould & Goodrich thumb-break holsters (in near-new condition) which I have little use for, never liking the thumb-break feature much.

The 3913 - came with two magazines (advertised as only one) so that was a bonus and not to be sneezed at. All four magazines in this shipment have somebody's initials on the bottom either in silver Sharpie or scratched into the floorplate. The exterior of the 3913 shows signs of holster wear (as might be expected in what is billed as a surplus police pistol) but very little on the inside. The grips are dirty but unscratched, no serious wear on the tops of the rails. Serial number VJAXXXX. The pistol doesn't show any abuse or sign of being dropped, barrel good, no surprises anywhere I can see in a preliminary examination.

The 3914 - again, in what is to me the more desirable (for me) and elegant "Lady Smith" configuration with that script logo on the slide. Serial number TFCXXXX. Perhaps because of its experience or just the fact the black finish shows dings more than the gray 3913, this one looks a little more worn with a small ding on the back of the beavertail of the frame. It has a flattened style slide release, which was new to me and just fine in my book. The 3914 also has the serrations on the top of the hammer - the 3913 does not and perhaps somebody could explain why. Despite the rather tired exterior, the inside looks just as good as the 3913 and I am perfectly pleased with it.

These pistols were sold as "fair" condition, but I honestly think a lot of that judgement is just how dirty they are. In fact, they are filthy. I can't imagine even the most slovenly cop running around with a pistol like this or any inspection that would let him or her out on the street with their equipment like this. It is going to take some serious cleaning this afternoon to bring these two to where they are supposed to be. I almost feel like the orders were, "shoot up the rest of that 9mm, boys, and when you're done chunk the guns in this box." It was the same with the 457 I bought last year from Sportsmans Superstore. I should add that shipping was both free and fast, taking about three days Fedex.

After cleaning, the first order of business will be new recoil springs and hammer springs from Mr. Wolfe, and I think I should be in pretty good shape. I always regretted selling the Lady Smith I once had, and have now made amends x2.

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Nice score! Congrats! :)

That 3914 doesn't look bad at all. My 3914NL, in my holster as I type this, has a lot more wear on the exterior. Still functions 100% and is quite accurate.

I prefer the slanted dustcovers on the 3914's. Makes it look just right, to me. Enjoy yours! Regards 18DAI
 
OP something I neglected to mention is that I have found that an Industrial Sharpie marker works freat at covering up the areas where the anodizing is rubbed off.

Works OK for the slide and decockers too. It does wear off eventually or during cleaning, but I thought you might want to know.

Also, the Birchwood Casy black aluminum touch up pen, sucks. In my experience anyway. Save your money. Hope this helps! Regards 18DAI
 
Those are nice looking pick ups. Makes me simultaneously happy and sad that it's just about impossible to bring those into MA. Happy, because I'd be much poorer, and sad because they are so nice and I'd like to have a 3913LS.
 
Good catch - I am impressed! I have the LS version and have always wanted another - to carry and shoot ... ;)
 
OP something I neglected to mention is that I have found that an Industrial Sharpie marker works freat at covering up the areas where the anodizing is rubbed off.

Works OK for the slide and decockers too. It does wear off eventually or during cleaning, but I thought you might want to know.

Also, the Birchwood Casy black aluminum touch up pen, sucks. In my experience anyway. Save your money. Hope this helps! Regards 18DAI

It also works great for where you ding up the finish pushing the front sight. Ask me how I know...
 
Two questions about these pistols for those on this board who might know:

1. What police department would have so many "Lady Smith" pistols? Would you assume these are for female officers? What kind of burley cop otherwise would countenance being issued a gun with that on the side? Let alone a 9mm firearm with so little capacity? As much as I like these pistols, they seem an odd choice for a police department on a variety of levels.

2. Why are what are supposed to be police surplus guns so doggone dirty? I've never seen anything like this mess to try and clean. Either somebody - everybody - is shooting up an immense amount of ammunition just before turning in their side arm, or they just don't clean their weapons. For years on end.
 
I'm a plainclothes detective. 6' 1" 235lbs. I carried a 3913 for many years. I have no problem carrying one of the 3914 Ladysmiths. I don't think anyone would say a word to me and I'm pretty sure any miscreant I point it at won't care what it says on the slide. :)

As far as capacity goes, I think 9 rounds of RA9B 147 grain is plenty for any occasion. And the two spare mags on my belt are there just in case it is not.

Many LE agencies purchased 39XX series guns. DEtectives, plain clothes units, UC vice/narcotics all loved the slim light weight, easily concealed carry guns.

Once LE guns are taken out of service, they may languish in unheated warehouses, thrown together in large bins for months or years. Who can say for sure where or how those 3914's were stored before Sportsmans wharehouse bid on the lot and purchased them.

Back in the day, we had periodic inspection days. God help the unfortunate officer who had a dirty handgun, scuffed shoes or a dirty uniform.

While it is popular on the internet to classify all police officers as "non gun guys", it isn't entirely true. There are those who view a handgun as just a tool on the toolbelt that they are required to qualify with and they put forth a minimal effort to be proficient with it. Those are more the exception than the rule.

Far more realize that being more than just proficient with their weapons could mean a difference out on the street.

The latter care for their weapons and practice on their own time. Some compete. For the former.........well, that why we have SGT's, LT's and CAPTs - to get their attention and square them away. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
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I appreciate your comments. That sort of voice is important for those of us late to the Smith autos to remember when they were a serious factor in arming the country's police forces. That kind of perspective also helps people like me appreciate the design even more.

May I ask, just to flesh out the picture a little more, what kind of ammunition would you carry typically in your 9mm Smith & Wesson auto? Was that type or brand a departmental requirement?
 
Wincherster Ranger RA9B 147 grain JHP is what my 3914 NL is loaded with.

D.A. Investigators, only numbering around 100 in NC, qualify with agencies in their jurisdiction. The agency I qualified with allowed Speer Gold Dot or Winchester Ranger as a 9mm duty round. I liked the 124 grain Gold Dot, but liked the bonded 147 grain RA9B ballistics more. My 3914 NL shoots the 147 grain more accurately too. Winchester LE reps advise using the 147 grain 9mm out of barrels shorter than 4 inches too. Or they did anyway.

LAPD and LASO specify the Ranger line for their members, IIRC. NYPD, where several of my relatives still work, specifies the Speer Gold Dot. Both have had very good street results with those rounds.

As to my choice of 3rd gen pistol, I am fortunate in that the State allows DA Investigators to carry pretty much anything we want. You are subject to the elected DA's preference (no revolvers, no SA 1911's, no .380 - pick from approved list of 9/40/45 S&W-Glock-Sig-HK-Kahr et al ) and to some extent by the policies of the agency you qualify with (no revolvers, no 1911's, no XD's, et al).

I chose the 3rd gen guns due to their reliability first and their durability, quality and excellent triggers. And like my car, home and GF, because they look great! ;)

Having been relegated......punished....recently, with an assignment to admin, I am currently chained to a desk. Coat and tie attire. So the 3914 in an IWB is my daily carry gun and my current off duty as well. Pending a change in assignment or retirement. Hope this helps! Regards 18DAI
 
Hey easy on the Lts. and Capts.18DAI .....my father was still shooting on the Department Pistol Team with those ranks.....LOL

Really not a better concealed carry single stack auto out there than the 3913/14 guns.........not to big not to small not to heavy....... doesn't look like a squirt gun I had as a kid!!
 
SORRY Bam-Bam!! I just went back and reread what I wrote. I can see where that would be taken as a slam against the SGT's LT's and CAPT's.

My INTENT was to convey that those superior officers would discipline the slackers who couldn't be bothered with maintenance of their firearms/uniforms/self.

My shooting partner and former FI was a LT on the Sheriffs pistol team. Many folks with rank can shoot very capably. My apologies for any unintentional inference to the contrary. Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI,

I've run a variety of ammo through my 3913, and to a lesser extent my 3914LS, and I've noticed they seem to shoot the 147s better, too. I wonder if that is model-specific, or just that our guns happen to prefer them? I found it by accident, having run into a good local deal on Federal 147s, and was pleasantly surprised at the POI. I, too, understood that they weren't the preferred load for shorter barrels, but I'll take "putting it where I want it to go" ahead of 100 or so FPS anytime.
 
petepeterson, according to the LE reps from Winchester I spoke to, the 147 grain IS the suggested load for barrels shorter than 4 inches. Sadly, as I am getting old and it was some time ago, I don't recall all the whys for their recommendation.

I never really concern myself with the velocity loss from a 3.5 barrel vice a 5 inch. I'd be surprised if it was as much as 100 FPS. I seem to recall something about a 50 FPS loss per inch of barrel length.........but.....oldtimers is acting up today.

IIRC member Fastbolt participated in an ammunition test at his agency. Perhaps he will see this thread and share some of his short barrel 9mm ballistics recollections.

Yea, pretty much ALL my S&W 9mm's shoot 147 grain to POA. It would be interesting to find out what weight round S&W used to test their 3rd gen 9mms with.

I know the 230 grain round was used for the 45's. Maybe one of the fellows who was there will chime in and share with us. Regards 18DAI
 
I find it intriguing that a heavier bullet would be suggested for a shorter barrel. Seems like it should be reversed. But it works, so I'll stick with it.

18, glad to see you made your way back to the 9mm pond. Those .45 guys are snobs. And the 10mm guys? Unbearable!:)
 
I find it intriguing that a heavier bullet would be suggested for a shorter barrel. Seems like it should be reversed. But it works, so I'll stick with it.

18, glad to see you made your way back to the 9mm pond. Those .45 guys are snobs. And the 10mm guys? Unbearable!:)

It's my understanding that heavier bullets take longer to get moving, thus the pressure of the burning powder has more time to build as opposed to lighter ones

My 3913 also likes the 147gn stuff.
 
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