Surplus ammo boxes

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This will sound like a stupid question but I just have to ask. Surplus ammo boxes, see them all the time. Does anyone here use them to store ammo, told you it was a stupid question but here's the reason. I have heard concerns about ammo in a fire in a sealed container can be a bomb. I also wonder if it's ok for handgun storage, I mean really really nice model 65 1980s vintage in pristine condition. I think the ammo boxes are air tight and that means they can trap moisture in as well as out and if it's in there goes that beautiful 65.
 
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They started life storing ammo, makes perfect sense to continue using them. I doubt you could get a thousand individual round to pop off at the same time from heat convection in a fire, if stored loose, and even harder if store in factory packaging.

I would use a desicant pack in with any carbon steel items you store in any sealed container
 
This will sound like a stupid question but I just have to ask. Surplus ammo boxes, see them all the time. Does anyone here use them to store ammo, told you it was a stupid question but here's the reason. I have heard concerns about ammo in a fire in a sealed container can be a bomb. I also wonder if it's ok for handgun storage, I mean really really nice model 65 1980s vintage in pristine condition. I think the ammo boxes are air tight and that means they can trap moisture in as well as out and if it's in there goes that beautiful 65.

Ammo really contained as in a chamber will be quite dangerous. Ammo loose stored goes off more like firecrackers, the brass will move more than the slug. Ammo in a ammo box should be not that big of a deal as I doubt that the whole box will go off at once. I doubt you’re going to stuff ammo in there that tight.

I have a bit of ammo in cans and so do a lot of my buddies. You undoubtedly have much more dangerous stuff around your house/garage. Gas /kerosene /propane.
 
I have a fair amount of 5.56 stored in them in my cabinets I store my ammo in. I'm not so concerned with them cooking off in a fire as I'd expect to be well away from the house in such condition as smoke inhalation would likely get you first if you didn't get out in time.
I keep gas and propane in a shed well away from the house as those are my main concern too.
 
Ammo that discharges in a fire is not the same result as ammo fired in a firearm.

Ammo that goes off in a fire usually has the bullet just laying there and the case moved rearward by the pressure being released, so I've been told.

THE BOMB situation would come into play if you were storing POWDER in a tight strong container. An ammo box full of cartridges actually contains very little total powder, but 1 pound canisters stored in an ammo storage box would be a different story.

Many regulations exist on the storing of SMOKELESS POWDER, and different ones for the EVEN MORE DANGEROUS BLACK POWDER.

Please GOOGLE for Federal, State, and Local Laws concerning the storage of gun powders. There are limits and descriptions of holding cabinets for larger amounts. Larger amount holding cabinets have a specification and a designed weakness to release the pressure of ignition.

You might want want to check about your homeowners insurance policy if you reload a bunch and buy powders in bulk.

MOONMAN
 
One thing to keep in mind is that if ammo is cooking off in a fire, the Fire Department won't fight the fire.

Nice, huh?
 
One thing to keep in mind is that if ammo is cooking off in a fire, the Fire Department won't fight the fire.

Nice, huh?

:rolleyes:

Possibly in your neck of the woods. When I was a volunteer we fought fires where there was ammo involved. We also fought fires where for medical reasons Oxygen tanks were in a house. Different techniques for different fires.

Worst fire I saw for stuff going off was a sporting goods store the firecracker type ammo was not a big deal, but the Coleman fuel and little propane canisters were !
 
Ammo cans are not strong enough to contain pressures to the point where smokeless powder/cartridges would turn it into a bomb.
 
mkk41,

The bomb comment was the storing of 1lb or greater POWDER CANISTERS OF JUST POWDER not CARTRIDGES.

Ignition the powder canisters would release a tremendous amount of pressure and military boxes are steel.

National fire regulations have specifications for powder magazine cabinets to vent the pressure in case of an ignition of stored powder canisters.
 
A little over 15 years my FIL's house burnt down (killed wife#2) There was around 10 to 15 thousand rounds of 38 and 45 ammo (2 pistol teams worth) in military cans in the garage. When the fire got to the 15 pound keg of Bullseye, it burnt like a torch- about 10' above what was left of the roof-there was no big boom. We primers (25000) cooking off and some loose ammo. After the fire was out and the investigation over got to the 38 ammo in 50 cal. cans; inside the cans about 1/3 to half of the ammo cooked off, and the bullets were usually just beyond the case mouth. The 45 ammo was in 20mm cans they looked like somebody beat them with a hammer from the inside and we couldn't pry them open. ammo in cans isn't aproblem. By the way; 4 inocent Smith revolvers died in this blaze also as well as several pets.
 
If they all go off at once, my formerly happy home will launch toward orbit. There are fire regs that require some quantity in wooden cases or boxes. For moving them around, I think its a terrible idea. I personally mostly use .50 cal cans (or the equivalent). Probably dumb because .30s are heavy enough when filled up. .50s are just too darn heavy when full of reloads. A hint to those who are starting, label the cans. These aren't labels like some idiot would require, these are labels you personally will use to identify the contents, so make them clear and informative. For an example of an idiot's labeling, go to my basement and view the boxes that only say ".44" or ".30-06". Nothing is perfect (well, the young girl that hikes past everyday is close), and ammo cans work well up to about 5 high. But after that you'll want to start a 2nd and subsequent stack.

I've allowed nature to determine the stacking order, and in the last 2 years the ones I don't use have sunk to the bottom of the stack, the most used floated up to the top. You could attribute that to natural selection, or laziness on my part.

For 22 cal ammo, in any volume, use milk cases. Select the fiberglass ones if you can. They're much stronger. But you can put too much ammo in a lot of things and make it too heavy to carry. Ammo cans were designed by evil army folks who enjoyed making strong young men suffer. To suggest ammo cans can actually be moved around is pretty funny, at least for us old men. Its how we developed back problems to begin with.

Most of us probably can't build shelving strong enough to hold a decent quantity of ammo. It means the best place for it is on the floor. A reinforced concrete floor!

Yesterday I was looking at the plastic ammo boxes. Kind of nice, but I'm too old and grouchy to change. If I were young and starting out, I'd consider them seriously. They come with a nice plastic handle that appears to be easy on your hands when lifting them. I have no idea if the folded metal handles on ammo cans was designed for GI comfort, or to inflict even more pain. Regardless, go to a gun show and view the plastic ones sometime. They appear to be squatter and have a little more footprint.

My wife, in her campaign to help, wanted to get the wire shelves that Sam's club sells. They even advertise that they can roll and carry up to 800# or so. She was thinking there's no way Dad could have 800# of ammo. Even mentioned to my long suffering son's who'd just helped move it out of the old house. They just looked at her and frowned. And were thinking just the 22s weighed that much.

So the real trick in all this is to imagine how much total you plan on storing. Then imagine you actually live this long and have been accumulating ammo for the last half century. Then come up with a way to store it that allows movement on occasion and also access from time to time.
 
A local guy sustained some nasty injuries by storing garden chemicals in ammo boxes over the winter season.
Unlatching the cover on one in the spring, it exploded for lack of a better word from the pressure of several spray cans that had corroded and leaked inside. Perhaps other corrosive chemicals stored in the box helped to weaken the spray cans,,maybe they weren't standing upright in the can during storage. None were factory sealed yet.
All had been used to some extent during the gardening season before being packed away to keep them safe from the kids.

Ammo cans for ammo.,,and they aren't getting any lighter
 
If these were good enough to serve in any number of wars, anything that they might encounter in my home would be mild by comparison.
 
I like rburg's idea about labels. I hate having to open 20 or 30 cans to find what I'm looking for. But, in another way it's cool to search through them as I always find stuff I forgot I had.
 
Been using ammo cans all my life to store ammo, bayonets and military knives, other militaria as well. Figured out a few years ago that they make great air-tight, water tight coffins for my pets when they die. Before that, I built them all wood coffins, which of course last no time at all. For my big guys I used the much larger artillery ammo cans.
 
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