Taser question
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pluspea
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My youngest son that is in the air force is at fort leonard wood this week for training and had to be shot with a taser, worst experience he has had ever, then the next day he had to be pepper sprayed, he said the taser was worse, but the spray lingered on until the next day.
He said he was concerned when a tough looking marine that was ahead of him was crying out, and almost called for his mother.
Nothing I would want to go through.
He said he was concerned when a tough looking marine that was ahead of him was crying out, and almost called for his mother.
Nothing I would want to go through.
USAF385
US Veteran
Stun guns on the other hand are a joke.
As with being sprayed, the idea is that after being exposed the officer will know the level incapacitation he can expect if a taser or OC is used against him. Some people are less affected by them, OC in particular, most people can continue fighting through pepper spray if they want to. On the other hand, in most cases the taser renders you helpless, at least for the 5 seconds you're being shocked, and you can be shocked over and over as long as the darts stay in place. This is why a threat with a taser, even though the taser is considered "less than lethal", can be responded to with deadly force - if it was used on him the officer wouldn't be able to defend himself or protect his weapons(s).
I do not carry a taser but I have had the opportunity to "ride the lightning". let me just say that it's a loooong 5 seconds!
So as a civilian, can I respond in the same manner to protect my weapon(s)?
Another comment: I always keep an eye on those guys playing around with the stun guns and talking about the tasers at shows and expos'---I find myself reaching for my ccw, that of course is not there (because we are in a show) and giving them the evil eye. Most folks don't know that the civilian models are more powerful and often are not time limited like the LEO tasers. I have been seeing more crime reports about the "bad guy" using this method to subdue the victim and then.........
I suppose that depends on who's wielding the taser. If some mope is trying to zap you then, yeah, he's escalating the attack to a point that you'd be helpless and unable to protect yourself if he's successful so I'd say anything goes. If it's a cop I'd say your best bet is to take the shock, if you go for your gun you're a dead man.
Give me a taser over OC any day. With a taser the ride is over in 5 seconds, pepper spray is a gift that keeps on giving.
sheriffoconee
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I have "rode the buffalo" (a full 5 second ride) with a TASER, and have been intentionally pepper sprayed twice during training...
I will take a TASER ride ANY DAY over pepper spray.....when it is over, it is over...not so with the spray....
If we deploy a TASER, it goes into evidence with the Use of Force report.
TASER cartridges are issued by SRN (everyone gets two) and in order to get a new one, you must turn in your deployed one...
We wrap them in nitrile gloves and seal them in an evidence bag and we keep them until the case is over with.
By the way, we have an XREP shotgun as well, haven't used it yet....
We went to TASERS in April 04...since then, we have not had a injury to a deputy, or a suspect/inmate that required medical attention or workers comp.....
I will take a TASER ride ANY DAY over pepper spray.....when it is over, it is over...not so with the spray....
If we deploy a TASER, it goes into evidence with the Use of Force report.
TASER cartridges are issued by SRN (everyone gets two) and in order to get a new one, you must turn in your deployed one...
We wrap them in nitrile gloves and seal them in an evidence bag and we keep them until the case is over with.
By the way, we have an XREP shotgun as well, haven't used it yet....
We went to TASERS in April 04...since then, we have not had a injury to a deputy, or a suspect/inmate that required medical attention or workers comp.....
safearm
US Veteran
When I was an OC instructor, my main reason for having students experience the OC is that they WILL, at sometime, be inadvertantly sprayed with OC by a fellow officer. I have never been sprayed by a "bad guy," but I have been hosed by another deputy while trying to subdue a subject. I too wonder why officers have to be hit with the Taser, especially since some (most?) have laser aiming devices, but since I'm retired, I really don't worry about it much.
smith revolver cop
Member
No, they're closer to $50. Many departments DO keep the spent cartridge as evidence- a good idea if the suspect later tries to claim that a non-standard cartridge wasn't used, or it was somehow doctored.
smith revolver cop
Member
I agree with experiencing OC, as it is inevitable you will get sprayed: either blowback from your own, or overspray from another officer. You need to know how to "fight through it," just like some of the badguys can! I elected, however, not to get Tased. With my luck, I'd be the one in a million that would poop myself or something!!!
pluspea
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Update, I spoke with my Son that had been shot and pepper sprayed, He now says that the pepper spray was the worse of the two. They have been taught riot control, and goes to the range today. He also said that he is now civilian qualified to teach the use of a taser.
I haven't seen him in well over a year and plan on driving down next week, I have been keeping his firearms for him, so that is a good reason for him to be glad to see me.
model70hunter
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I guess I'm getting old, when I started we used manual tasers. Our options were, sap, pugulism or the ever present heavy walled c cell flashlight and none of which required pulling out wires afterwards. Of course there were long reports to be made out later for manual taser applications.
Pepper spray was the new toy. After using spray and hauling the perp to the office the car reeked for days. Most guys only used it once or never. Pepper spray often worked poorly which led into manual tasering.
Manual taserings or pepper spray incidents that I saw were used as a last resort to to control someone who was already out of control. It was always initiated by misguided folks who were usually high and had a belief that they could whip someone and walk away. You could see it build in their eyes, hey I'll just whip these 2-4 sober and trained cops and walk out of here. For those who've never been there the ability to fathom reasoning is not present nor working in a chemically stimulated brain, and is in warp escape mode if they've had 2 priors.
Pepper spray was the new toy. After using spray and hauling the perp to the office the car reeked for days. Most guys only used it once or never. Pepper spray often worked poorly which led into manual tasering.
Manual taserings or pepper spray incidents that I saw were used as a last resort to to control someone who was already out of control. It was always initiated by misguided folks who were usually high and had a belief that they could whip someone and walk away. You could see it build in their eyes, hey I'll just whip these 2-4 sober and trained cops and walk out of here. For those who've never been there the ability to fathom reasoning is not present nor working in a chemically stimulated brain, and is in warp escape mode if they've had 2 priors.
I have taken the ride and had the OC both. I as others have said here I would rather take the five second ride than another dose of OC. Here in the county we recover the spent cartridge and wires and wrap them in a glove and book into evidence. The use of the Taser requires a written report each time. Even if the suspect changes his actons due to the officer displaying the taser and not deploying a report must be written.
The funny thing is here in town there is a group trying to get signatures to not let let police department use the taser. They are telling everyone it is a dangerous weapon and kills people every year. If they get enough signatures it will be on the November ballot to outlaw the use of them in the city. I guess they would rather the officers go hands on with the suspects and risk greater injury to the suspects and possibly have the officer become injured.
The funny thing is here in town there is a group trying to get signatures to not let let police department use the taser. They are telling everyone it is a dangerous weapon and kills people every year. If they get enough signatures it will be on the November ballot to outlaw the use of them in the city. I guess they would rather the officers go hands on with the suspects and risk greater injury to the suspects and possibly have the officer become injured.
Faulkner
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I've been certified with both . . . as bad as the taser is, I'd take a zap from it over a dose of OC any day of the week.
Bob R
US Veteran
When I worked on the rez we would occasionally have the police in the ER pepper spray someone who wouldn't behave. Afterwards they would blubber and sputter and call me everything but a nice guy while demanding we make it better.
It would only take one time for them to call me a MF'er and I would give them a warm, wet, washcloth to place on their face, as they asked. I would try to tell them they really didn't want to put water on their face, but as usual, they knew better than me.
bob
It would only take one time for them to call me a MF'er and I would give them a warm, wet, washcloth to place on their face, as they asked. I would try to tell them they really didn't want to put water on their face, but as usual, they knew better than me.
bob
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