ted nugent 357

[sawlog]

I bought a box of ted nugent 357 ammo 158gr speer uhp
1560 fps
858 ft
I bought these for deer hunting this fall
my question is, how does this stack up to the 357 ammo back in the day before it got watered down?
I always read how "hot" 357's used to be.
this round is the stoutest stuff I have found.
thank you

 

[Alk8944]

Published data for the original .357 Magnum cartridge was with a 158 gr. LSWCGC bullet at 1515 or 1520 FPS and 800 FPE. This was from an 8 3/4" revolver.

How the ammunition you ask about compares is impossible to know since test conditions are unknown. My guess is that performance in an actual revolver will be nowhere near what is claimed. For reference though, if it chronographs from 1250-1350 FPS from a 6" revolver it can be considered as fully equivalent to early .357 Magnum ammunition.

 

[vipermd]

Unless you have the "back in the day 357" what would it matter?? The velocities stated were done with real and test barrels of varying lengths so you can not compare apples to apples. I have cases of Super Vel 357 mag 125 gr JHP, they are "hot" compared to 38 spl, but I have not put them through a chronograph with various barrel lengths and compare it to any of today's "hot" ammo. The numbers that you give are just that, numbers. First chrono it in your gun, then shoot, water, gel, wet newspaper and it may give you very rough level of penetration, expansion. That said, the bullets available now offer greater performance at lower velocities so "hot" "high velocity" really mean nothing!! An example is 4 deer shot at same spot,same gun, 33 yds, broadside with 44 mag 240gr , all 4 ran- 40-95 yds. The ammo was fed hydroshock, winchester silvertip, IMI JHP, PMC Starfire, when dressing all were double lung, 2 also removed part of the heart, 1 tore pericadium, poor blood trails, all were recovered. 5 th year I switched to 240 xtp, distance, gun, position were the same, this deer shuddered, took 2 steps and fell over. Velocity/energy are just Numbers, they can be used as a guide, with proper placement most will work. As for the stated velocity I have seen higher reported, but not confirmed, barrel length was not given. Current hogdon data lists" 158 xtp, 16.7 gr of Win 296 MAX load), 10" barrel, vel-1591, 887.97 ft/lb. After hunting for 55 yrs with rifle, shotgun, handgun,muzzle loader, bow, I can tell you that none of the animals ( deer,bear,hog) read the vel/energy levels, it did not matter. Be Safe,

 

[arjay]

Odds are,out of a revolver,it'll do 1200-1300 fps.

 

[sawlog]

ok, thanks.
I was asking because I read about Keith Elmer taking elk, moose, and other big game with a 357 revolver. but then an article will always say that that was the old school 357 round not todays ammo.
so I was just curious if any factory ammo today is close to the stuff keith hunted with.

 

[vipermd]

ok, thanks.
I was asking because I read about Keith Elmer taking elk, moose, and other big game with a 357 revolver. but then an article will always say that that was the old school 357 round not todays ammo.
so I was just curious if any factory ammo today is close to the stuff keith hunted with.

Today's ammunition is better, more effective, more reliable and if Elmer were hunting today he would be impressed and HE could do what he did before!!. Be Safe,

 

[David Sinko]

What is YOUR revolver? And more specifically, what is YOUR barrel length? I presume you mean JHP, and not UHP. I hate to be a stickler for details and typos, but every detail does matter. I load all my 158 gr. cast and jacketed bullets to an honest 1200 FPS out of my 4" barrel, says the chronograph. If you have access to a chronograph, actual velocities will be much more useful than mere speculation. As others insinuate, there is much hype surrounding the .357 Magnum. That said, it's still a great cartridge.

Dave Sinko

 

[sawlog]

What is YOUR revolver? And more specifically, what is YOUR barrel length? I presume you mean JHP, and not UHP. I hate to be a stickler for details and typos, but every detail does matter. I load all my 158 gr. cast and jacketed bullets to an honest 1200 FPS out of my 4" barrel, says the chronograph. If you have access to a chronograph, actual velocities will be much more useful than mere speculation. As others insinuate, there is much hype surrounding the .357 Magnum. That said, it's still a great cartridge.

Dave Sinko

the box says uhp, thet look a little different then normal hollow points
4in gp100

 

[alwslate]

ok, thanks.
I was asking because I read about Keith Elmer taking elk, moose, and other big game with a 357 revolver. but then an article will always say that that was the old school 357 round not todays ammo.
so I was just curious if any factory ammo today is close to the stuff keith hunted with.

Keith used heavy hard cast SWCs in the handgun loads he
hunted with. He depended on good shot placement and
penetration to take large animals with a handgun. Also as a
gun writer he was able to go on hunts and hunt under
conditions that the rest of us can only dream about.

 

[M3Stuart]

Barrel length and the burn rate of the powder make all the difference in the world in the ACTUAL fps.

If I'm getting a flame-thrower quality flash with my .357 then some of that powder is burning 'too late' to affect the fps.

Most manufacturers don't publish the barrel length of the test gun. You'd have to chrono them out of your gun.

If I wanted to see the differences, I'd chrono the ammo out of, say, a 2" model 60, a 4" 686 and then a 16" lever gun. This isn't a reloading thread, but it all depends on the powder burn rate and the barrel length - IMHO.

 

[vipermd]

U= uni-core, uhc uni-core hollow point

 

[moosedog]

The industry standard is to test handgun ammo out of a 10 inch test barrel which would not have a cylinder gap. Don't know what Ted Nugent uses for his ammo.

 

[Watchdog]

"Ted Nugent .357?" Out in the field, you probably won't be able to tell it from factory stuff, especially out of a 4-inch barrel.

It's just an ammo hyping itself with Nugent's name (for whatever that's worth)...sorta like Wiley Clapp pistols and revolvers.

 

[shouldazagged]

Like Nugent, I'd bet it's overhyped. With his name on it the claims are most likely exaggerated.

Cynical? Me? Nahhhh...

 

[m657]

Circa 1980 I made considerable efforts to generate the mythical 1500+ fps out of 357 mag. I used all the old Keith loads & a bunch of newer recipes all in the pursuit of IHMSA rams at 200 yards.

As a then-novice shooter/reloader, I remained mystified about barrel leading/copper fouling/heartbreaking rapid loss of accuracy.

Well, the monumental muzzle flash and savage recoil was thrilling at the time, but my tastes evolved and my desires changed to more modest yet adequate performance. Oddly, my accuracy increased over all, and my bore leading decreased exponentially.

Now 1200fps from the 357 mags seems plenty hot for my use.

And I actually prefer 41 mag over any 357 load I've ever found, for pleasant accurate and satisfying effect downrange.

 

[Rick_A]

Ballistics by the Inch and Buffalo Bore have published data that makes good references for performance. BBTI calculates a lot of their tabulated data, but the numbers are based on chronograph data.

Hollow point ammunition has made good strides for defense, but for deep penetrating hunting loads a heavy hard cast SWC still rules.

 

[pownal55]

You can pick up an accurate chrony for about 100 bucks which is a necessary tool for the hand loader. Velocity readings from a sling shot to the 220 Swift, gotta have it.

 

[REM 3200]

"Ted Nugent .357?" Out in the field, you probably won't be able to tell it from factory stuff, especially out of a 4-inch barrel.

It's just an ammo hyping itself with Nugent's name (for whatever that's worth)...sorta like Wiley Clapp pistols and revolvers.

Why, don'cha know Ole Ted is sittin' at his loading bench out in the garage just crankin' them out.

 

[Oldsalt66]

Why, don'cha know Ole Ted is sittin' at his loading bench out in the garage just crankin' them out.

It's my understanding that Ted Nugent Ammunition is manufactured by Pierce Ammunition in New York State, a company that I believe has recently donated $7500.00 for the re-election of Andrew Cuomo, one of this country's premier gun grabbers and the architect and main force behind the abominable SAFE ACT.

None of my money will be going to Pierce anymore because I refuse to see it transferred to Andrew Cuomo's reelection campaign.

 

[REM 3200]

It's my understanding that Ted Nugent Ammunition is manufactured by Pierce Ammunition in New York State, a company that I believe has recently donated $7500.00 for the re-election of Andrew Cuomo, one of this country's premier gun grabbers and the architect and main force behind the abominable SAFE ACT.

None of my money will be going to Pierce anymore because I refuse to see it transferred to Andrew Cuomo's reelection campaign.

Not sure I would believe that. Why would a ammo company give to the campaign of some one who is trying to put them out of business? Also, Ted Nugent is on the board of the NRA and very outspoken for the 2A. I don't think he would his name to be used in such a way.

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