Test drove some BMWs

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So before we picked the 328d (d for diesel) as the car for my wife, she and I test drove/looked at a couple of other models.

The car we really went to see was a 2017 330i loaner car with under 7k miles on the clock. The attraction was it was listed as being white with a beige interior, ideal for Vegas. When we saw it in the flesh, my wife said that the white "didn't work" on that body style. She's right, as the silver one we bought looks MUCH better. The interior was nice with upgraded seats and a reasonable amount of amenities. What we didn't like was that the car needed a full tint job and the new B48 gas motor sounds like a diesel. Seems to be a recurring story with 4-cylinder direct injected motors. We didn't drive this car as my wife lost interest because of the color issue.

They also had several 528i examples on the lot. This car can carry white as a body color, but the silver ones are sensational IMHO. Being a bigger car than the 3-series it has a more planted feel (500 lbs more planted) with more width in the cabin. In the bigger car the 4-cylinder motor is all but inaudible and vibration isolation first class. When you rev it out it's smooth, but doesn't have that old BMW 6-banger wail, unfortunately. Regarding 4-cylinder refinement, I'm looking at you, Land Rover and Jaguar. The seats were plainer than those in the 330i but still very comfortable. Strangely, the ride in the 5-series cars wasn't really any better than the 3-series models, and that was a surprise. Indeed, that extra 500 lbs gave the 528i a ponderous feel compared to the 328d that I didn't really like. We decided against this car because the fuel mileage improvement over her SUV didn't justify purchase. We also felt that the 3-series rode as well and was nearly as quiet.

Inevitably, the 328d we bought had to go back for some things to be fixed. Vegas dealers don't do all the paint chips and wheels refurb until a vehicle is sold, even in prestige dealerships. I don't know if this is just a Vegas thing or industry wide.

So, I was given a 328i loaner for the day. This makes an interesting comparison with the diesel. For sure, the gas motor doesn't have the ultimate low-down grunt of the diesel, but it still pulls well at low revs with no real lag I could detect. BMW really have nailed this twin-scroll turbo game. Yes, I'm looking at you AGAIN, Land Rover and Jaguar. This gas motor is the older N20 type but it also suffers from the "DI rattle". It revs out well though.:D

I know the F30 model 3-series has been panned in the motoring press for lacking the sporting edge of previous models. Indeed, the current F30 is the same size as a 5-series from the 1980s/90s. But as a car to own, it's a darned good package barring the lack of spare wheel thing. That still grates bit. The ride of the F30 3-series is plush on 17" or 18" wheels and the grip and handling surpass my current level of bravery. Add the great refinement, and it seems like enough car to me.:cool:
 
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...I've been admiring the 335xi ...a bunch of them wandering around down the hill to the east with the country club set...

...of course you don't need the "x" in Vegas...
 
I had a 325 convertible for my wife and a 525 with sunroof for me back in the '90s in Japan. Bought used. Nice cars, fun to drive, tho the 525 was underpowered. But man! Maintenance was through the roof! Maybe it's a Japan thing?

Nowadays I am a Toyota man in Japan and an Uber/Lyft/rentacar man in the US.
 
We've had a bunch of BMWs over the years, from a 750il down to a 528i. Currently, it's a 530i with a sport package, and it will be the last BMW we own. They drive great and are lovely to sit in, but none have been problem free even at low miles and problems on BMWs are expensive to fix and I'm becoming less and less willing to fix them. To make matters worse, BMW dealerships around here are notoriously difficult to deal with. The problem is compounded by the fact that both BMW and Mercedes are aggressively chasing the lease market around here, so they are becoming more and more "not my thing". I'll find something else next time.

They do drive great, there is no denying that.
 
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My wife has been driving a 2010 328iX 2 door coupe for the past 5 years....... got it with 19,000 miles at about 2/3 msrp of a new on.

Nice, fun car...... but ya parts and/or maintenance when you need it is steep.... luckily hasn't happened often......

Now if it just had a dip stick, spare tire.................... though the run flats do work.....and the low tire pressure warning didn't go off every spring and fall.
 
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I've had a problem free 1992 318i which had 360,000 miles when we got rid of it. I traded a nothing but trouble, over engineered 323ci last year that nickeled & dimed us for far too long. I wouldn't have another, but hopefully you're experience will be better.
 
They must have made some big improvements with the 4 bangers since 2012, the last time I drove one.

I test drove a 528i, with the 2.0 turbo 4 banger. It had all the refinement of a Honda Civic with 200,000 miles on the clock. Turbo lag was really bad. Step on the gas, count 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, then finally the car would (somewhat reluctantly) take off. The I6 was leaps and bounds superior, without much reduction in mileage.

Comparing the 3 and 5 series, I don't see much that justifies the 5 over the 3, other than better engine options. It isn't otherwise much nicer.

I did notice they rejiggered the model numbers, I guess as a consequence of the continued engine downsizing. The x30 used to be an I6, now it is a 4 banger. The I6 is now an x40, which used to be the V8.
 
They must have made some big improvements with the 4 bangers since 2012, the last time I drove one.

I test drove a 528i, with the 2.0 turbo 4 banger. It had all the refinement of a Honda Civic with 200,000 miles on the clock. Turbo lag was really bad. Step on the gas, count 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, then finally the car would (somewhat reluctantly) take off. The I6 was leaps and bounds superior, without much reduction in mileage.

I'm baffled. The 2012 328i loaner I mentioned had over 70k miles on it, and it certainly did not exhibit anything like 3 seconds worth of lag.

I looked up the 2011 C&D test of the 528i and they seemed to think the lag was pretty much a non-issue. Note that they say its flat out acceleration to 60 whipped the 6-cylinder by 0.5 sec. 2012 BMW 528i Test - Review - Car and Driver

I did note that the controls on that car were subtly different from the 2015 item we drove. In 2011 the drivetrain programmer appears to have had fewer choices. They now show from ECO-PRO (slug on Valium) up to SPORT+. 2012 BMW 528i Pictures | Photo Gallery | Car and Driver

I suspect the car you tested suffered from one of these consequences:

1) COMFORT mode back then was the same as the current ECO-SLUG mode.

2) Some brain donor had filled it with 87 octane and it pulled all the timing when you put you foot in it. Been there, done that with a turbo Volvo.

3) It was plain broken.
 
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I have a 2015 335i. For me a BMW must have 6 cylinders. With an exhaust, intake and ECM tune the car makes reasonable power, around 360 at the crank. An M Performance suspension brings the F30 closer to older models as far as handling goes.

Got a good deal on a CPO so even with the upgrades it was still cheaper than new, and a much better car. For me at least. The wife just bought a new X1. The turbo 4 is fine for her and is actually the same engine as used in the Mini Cooper John Cooper Works. I'd call it spunky in the X1.

I've owned 5 or 6 BMW motorcycles, three autos now, plus a Mini Cooper S. We've had good luck with all of them so far, but yes parts and service are outrageous. Out of warranty find a good private mechanic and shop parts online. Still expensive, but not quite as painful.
 
BMW's are exiting cars that handle well, have great driving characteristics and are great looking and fun cars. Like many of the German cars, I believe the way to drive them is to lease them for 2 or 3 years - then move on. At least that's the way I have done it. Their cost of repair and their long term cost of ownership for maintenance is hard to justify as they loose much of their resale value after 3 years. Parts prices and availability is through the Dealers many times and they are priced ridiculously!

If leased, you can drive, enjoy and not worry about repairs because it's under warranty. After the 3 years - they get very expensive to maintain and the maintenance for the first 3 years is minimal. Land Rover / Range Rover, Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, Maserati etc. are in the same ball park as far as I am concerned. IMO, leasing is the way to go with high end vehicles.
 
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I've had a problem free 1992 318i which had 360,000 miles when we got rid of it. I traded a nothing but trouble, over engineered 323ci last year that nickeled & dimed us for far too long. I wouldn't have another, but hopefully you're experience will be better.

IIRC that 318i had the M10 motor which formed the basis for the M12 Formula 1 engine. Small wonder it ran so long.

(EDITED TO ADD: My bad. the 1992 318i used the M40 series motor according to Wikipedia.)

There was a story that I've never been able to verify regarding the M12 engine. The word was that BMW had several mules badged as 318i that were fitted with M12 blocks built up as 1.8 litre motors. A check of the specs reveals that the two engines shared the same bore size. These cars were then run by BMW staffers for a period to de-stress the blocks before they were rebuilt as 1.5 litre F1 motors.

An anonymous former mechanic of the Brabham-BMW team once described how they would send out Nelson Piquet with a qualifying engine with the wastegate basically dogged down. He said that meant Nelson was riding with a 1200 hp hand grenade.
 
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I'm baffled. The 2012 328i loaner I mentioned had over 70k miles on it, and it certainly did not exhibit anything like 3 seconds worth of lag.

I looked up the 2011 C&D test of the 528i and they seemed to think the lag was pretty much a non-issue. Note that they say its flat out acceleration to 60 whipped the 6-cylinder by 0.5 sec. 2012 BMW 528i Test - Review - Car and Driver

I did note that the controls on that car were subtlety different from the 2015 item we drove. In 2011 the drivetrain programmer appears to have had fewer choices. They now show from ECO-PRO (slug on Valium) up to SPORT+. 2012 BMW 528i Pictures | Photo Gallery | Car and Driver

I suspect the car you tested suffered from one of these consequences:

1) COMFORT mode back then was the same as the current ECO-SLUG mode.

2) Some brain donor had filled it with 87 octane and it pulled all the timing when you put you foot in it. Been there, done that with a turbo Volvo.

3) It was plain broken.

ECO-SLUG mode is the most likely explanation. It was 6 years ago, so the details are hazy, but I recall feeling like it was always in too tall a gear. Step on the throttle, and it was very slow to change down. The engine, and therefor the turbo, couldn't spin up.

I think this was their first year for the electric steering."The Ultimate Driving Machine" it was not. The steering wheel felt like a game controller with no connection to the wheels.
 

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