Texas Next?

[biku324]

When was the last time thugs, crazies, or addicts worried about what was legal?

Always. None want to get arrested for carrying guns, but it doesn't stop some.

Responding to parties/disturbances/fights in progress in many neighborhoods we regularly would find handguns that no one owned on the ground. And where there were bullet holes and spent cases, we seldom would find guns.

When doing border or interstate highway drug interdiction, we seldom found guns on mules as they get enhanced penalties by years if carrying.

Between misdemeanors for illegal carry and increased penalties for committing felonies while in possession of a firearm you reduce overall possession in high crime areas; if you actively 'work' guncarry in high crime areas, you also reduce possession and violent crimes in those areas.

I don't believe in slogans. Very often things people commonly say to promote their positions are simply wrong. And by the way, I don't want or need any particular course of action taken by anyone - I'd just like folks to think about some of the things they think they want. If everyone can CC, that means EVERYONE.

Helpful?

 

[ggibson511960]

I know this view is unpopular, but just know that so-called Constitutional Carry means EVERYONE can carry - inner city thugs without felony arrests, crazies with no court-ordered commitment, angry ex-boyfriend/girlfriends without restraining orders, addicts without felonies (and there are LOTS of Vicodin freaks who are indistinguishable from the straight and sober), people who believe what they see about guns on TV, movies, or in video games, and those who are really, really scared and think a gun is a magic wand that will always keep them from harm.

I am in the minority on this issue as well. I am a Texas CHP holder. I take great pride that CHP holders are the one of the most spotlessly clean groups of people on the planet, more crime free than any number of groups generally considered better than mere citizens, including elected officials who generally do not have to pass a background check. I believe one should have to pass a background check to vote! A telling statistic is the number of violent crimes committed with one of thousands of NFA registered weapons in the last 85 years. Last I checked it was zero. CHP violent crimes are also near zero. Rather than railing against the intrusive nanny state, we should point out what has worked. On the other hand, ignoring the millions of felonious 4473 applications rejected by NCIS sets loose confessed felons, leaving behind a signed confession. I could get behind a U.S. attorney of any party that took up a stack of rejected 4473's and went after the felons. Let the counter-punching begin.

 

[biku324]

Thanks for the reminder - there are far more felons who can get their records expunged than a few years ago. They too can carry concealed under a Constitutional Carry law.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Yup, that’s what it means. And I’m good with it . . .

I know this view is unpopular, but just know that so-called Constitutional Carry means EVERYONE can carry - inner city thugs without felony arrests, crazies with no court-ordered commitment, angry ex-boyfriend/girlfriends without restraining orders, addicts without felonies (and there are LOTS of Vicodin freaks who are indistinguishable from the straight and sober), people who believe what they see about guns on TV, movies, or in video games, and those who are really, really scared and think a gun is a magic wand that will always keep them from harm.

 

[Justin T]

Individual liberty can be messy sometimes. Just because the law changes doesnt mean addicts without felonies haven’t already been carrying. Same with wife-beaters without restraining orders. These people have already been carrying if that’s what they chose to do. This change in law isn’t going to affect that.

In texas, all of the “prohibited places” will still be “prohibited places”. Same with prohibited people.

Look, after this passes there isn’t anything written anywhere that says you MUST stop keeping up with your LTC in Texas. If that’s what you want, by all means, you should be able to do that.

It adds an additional note of credibility to those of us who wish todo so, because people who need to see that card will still know that you want to be a part of that most-crime free demographic mentioned above. Yes, it may also still add a note of credibility when buying firearms, too (I’ve enjoyed that myself).

This is a good thing that is far too late in coming.

 

[delcrossv]

I know this view is unpopular, but just know that so-called Constitutional Carry means EVERYONE can carry - inner city thugs without felony arrests, crazies with no court-ordered commitment, angry ex-boyfriend/girlfriends without restraining orders, addicts without felonies (and there are LOTS of Vicodin freaks who are indistinguishable from the straight and sober), people who believe what they see about guns on TV, movies, or in video games, and those who are really, really scared and think a gun is a magic wand that will always keep them from harm.

Correct. To which I have to say: "So?"

I'll take "dangerous liberty over servile safety" for $100 Alex.

 

[black1970]

Thugs and whack jobs are going to carry anyway. The playing field is being leveled. Think back and ask yourself what brought on these carry laws.
Liberal judges
Disregard for other people’s lives and property
No respect for authority (police)
No home life
Destruction of the nuclear family
These things my friends is the main reasons why we are where we are.
The Left,the Marxists,the Communists,and BLM could not have written it any better. What say you?

 

[rockquarry]

I know this view is unpopular, but just know that so-called Constitutional Carry means EVERYONE can carry - inner city thugs without felony arrests, crazies with no court-ordered commitment, angry ex-boyfriend/girlfriends without restraining orders, addicts without felonies (and there are LOTS of Vicodin freaks who are indistinguishable from the straight and sober), people who believe what they see about guns on TV, movies, or in video games, and those who are really, really scared and think a gun is a magic wand that will always keep them from harm.

You make a good and valid point. The extremist faction of Second Amendment rights-"Second Amendment at any cost" doesn't see a need for discretion or good judgement.

 

[Justin T]

You make a good and valid point. The extremist faction of Second Amendment rights-"Second Amendment at any cost" doesn't see a need for discretion or good judgement.

That’s just wrong.

 

[delcrossv]

You make a good and valid point. The extremist faction of Second Amendment rights-"Second Amendment at any cost" doesn't see a need for discretion or good judgement.

Gee, I looked and looked for the "discretion and good judgment" clause, but couldn't find it here:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary for the security of a free State; the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

 

[biku324]

Maybe it will be fun to watch sale days at League City WalMart with all the customers carrying.

 

[scoobysnacker]

I'm not directly affected by this, as I'm in Lousiana, a neighboring state also considering the same thing.

BUT- I have to toss my own thoughts in, anyway. I'm eligible, as a legal firearms owner over 21. In my state, it's basically a racket for people to hold these $100 classes... do you honestly think a single 8 hr day will change someone from a danger to society, to the ultimate safe individual? I don't. Add to that the long wait for the fingerprint process to go through, and the other parts; I've heard some guys saying they've been waiting 3-4 months for their license to come in.

I can already own a firearm. I can already open-carry (and have, in times of natural disaster). I can already carry and keep a firearm in my car for protection on the streets. No chance to carry at work, license or not.

Last I looked, the main organized opposition in my state has been the guys running the $100 a person classes. That strikes me more of a desire to make money, than anything else.

 

[Beemer-mark]

I know this view is unpopular, but just know that so-called Constitutional Carry means EVERYONE can carry - inner city thugs without felony arrests, crazies with no court-ordered commitment, angry ex-boyfriend/girlfriends without restraining orders, addicts without felonies (and there are LOTS of Vicodin freaks who are indistinguishable from the straight and sober), people who believe what they see about guns on TV, movies, or in video games, and those who are really, really scared and think a gun is a magic wand that will always keep them from harm.

And pray tell, what stops them from carrying now?

 

[biku324]

Extra time for a gun at a crime, and no need for a predicate offenses you catch them carrying illegally - stop and frisk or Terry stops most particularly (it's not as simple as it sounds).

 

[H Richard]

If only our forefathers could see the state of the population of the U.S. at the present time I'm not so sure they wouldn't re-word the 2nd amendment.

 

[GaryS]

"To be clear, this covers any futures advances in weaponry, so that fuzzy headed thinkers don't think that "arms" means flintlocks."

If only our forefathers could see the state of the population of the U.S. at the present time I'm not so sure they wouldn't re-word the 2nd amendment.

 

[delcrossv]

If only our forefathers could see the state of the population of the U.S. at the present time I'm not so sure they wouldn't re-word the 2nd amendment.

The probably would have removed the preamble regarding the Militia.

 

[Claymore33]

GUN CONFISCATION

I was in the Gunsmith/ FFL shop a few months ago picking up a 27-2 5". In walks a retired TEXAS RANGER (78yo) we all know.
The FFL asked him what he was going to do when the FEDS came to confiscate his guns. The Ranger said " Hope they don't send anybody I know."

 

[Justin T]

Sure as heck, it appears our lieutenant governor, as milquetoast as he is, suggests we don’t have the votes in the senate to pass the house bill. He’s also in the past expressed some concerns about this bill in previous sessions. He says he’ll “see what can be done”, but i bet that doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. And, i even hear governor grabbit is crawfishing on this bill too. Pansies.

 

[SchemaEnigma]

Always. None want to get arrested for carrying guns, but it doesn't stop some.

Responding to parties/disturbances/fights in progress in many neighborhoods we regularly would find handguns that no one owned on the ground. And where there were bullet holes and spent cases, we seldom would find guns.

When doing border or interstate highway drug interdiction, we seldom found guns on mules as they get enhanced penalties by years if carrying.

Between misdemeanors for illegal carry and increased penalties for committing felonies while in possession of a firearm you reduce overall possession in high crime areas; if you actively 'work' guncarry in high crime areas, you also reduce possession and violent crimes in those areas.

I don't believe in slogans. Very often things people commonly say to promote their positions are simply wrong. And by the way, I don't want or need any particular course of action taken by anyone - I'd just like folks to think about some of the things they think they want. If everyone can CC, that means EVERYONE.

Helpful?

Trying to avoid arrest by hiding the evidence or lying is not the same as actually being law-abiding, you know.

Mules crossing the border are hardly typical. That's a bit of a specialty among the felon classes.

And, finally, if gun control works in high crime areas, explain Chicago.