The absurdity of the magazine capacity issue

[A10]

I was cruizing around on Youtube and found this interesting vid demonstrating semi auto mag changed and controlled shots on target. It's worth a watch. I have no idea who the Sherriff is, but I'd sure like to see more LEO speaking out like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-joxi63xs



Even the amature proved his point......l

 

[riderrick65]

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A very enlightening video.

 

[Fire75]

I am only half way into vid, how come they dont have to rack the slide? It seems to only lock back on the last mag! Are they stopping early, to save time?

 

[USAF385]

Nice video! I'm going to share that one.

I gave a simple magazine reloading demonstration (without any firing) to my mother's boyfriend just last night. He was defending a limit on mag capacity saying having to reload takes enough time that lives could be saved. I obviously disagreed, pointed out how a shooter gunning down unarmed people in a gun free zone can very quickly change magazines no matter the capacity.

He continued to argue his point, so I gave him a little demonstration using my Shield. I explained how the action of the gun worked, how on the last shot the slide remains back and what the slide release does. So, with magazines emptied, I simulated how the slide stays back after the last shot.

I then dropped the mag, loaded the second mag, and dropped the slide. Then I told him how a competent shooter could count his rounds, and before firing the last round reload, not having to mess with the slide at all. Again I gave him a reloading demonstration.

I think he was shocked. Out of the blue with no prep I was able to very quickly release and reload my mags. It was like I could see the walls of misinformation come crumbling down around him. He changed his tone after that. He conceded that magazine limit might not be as important as he thought.

I'm glad I had my Shield, with limited round capacity, on me last night. I feel it better demonstrated my point using a low capacity gun.... A gun with NY SAFE magazine capacity.

 

[USAF385]

I am only half way into vid, how come they dont have to rack the slide? It seems to only lock back on the last mag! Are they stopping early, to save time?

If you have 15 rounds, reload after 14 while the 15th is in the chamber. No slide work required.

 

[Travis15R]

That was a great video. Just goes to show how useless magazine bans are.

 

[Fire75]

If you have 15 rounds, reload after 14 while the 15th is in the chamber. No slide work required.

And how many people could or would be able to do that with their life on the line? If that is what they did, the video should have mentioned it.

 

[Comrad]

All laws banning what people want are useless.

Drugs, under age drinking, drunk driving, whatever.

We can't even keep drugs out of prisons.

 

[USAF385]

And how many people could or would be able to do that with their life on the line? If that is what they did, the video should have mentioned it.

They're demonstrating from the shooter's perspective, if a shooter is popping off rounds in a gun free zone they could easily keep track.

Honestly, doing that is so common I didn't think anything of it.

 

[GKC]

Magazine capacity limits are a knee-jerk, feel-good attempt to "do something" about a problem that those who advocate them don't understand. The issue is not and never has been the gun used, the amount of rounds it will fire, or the design of the gun itself (i.e. "assault" versus "standard" design.) The issue has always been and always will be the human being using the gun.

Banning "assault rifles" and mandating magazine capacity limits is like banning cars with automatic transmissions and putting speed governors on cars to stop drunk driving. It doesn't address the problem, it doesn't solve the problem, and it only hinders those who obey the law anyway.

Why is 10 rounds better than 15? Is killing 10 people acceptable, but not killing 15? Until we address the mental health issues of those who decide to kill, the problem will not be solved.

 

[66Park]

They're demonstrating from the shooter's perspective, if a shooter is popping off rounds in a gun free zone they could easily keep track.

Honestly, doing that is so common I didn't think anything of it.

Yeah. I was trained to do that, so I'd be able to defend myself while changing mags. It's extremely common.

 

[A10]

It's common practice to reload when you have the opportunity, not when you have to. IPSC shooters routinely drop the mag prior to it being emptied. That way there is a round in the chamber, allowing you to react and fire even if there is no magazine in place. This is the reason why people disable magazine disconnect devices in their guns........

 

[66Park]

It's common practice to reload when you have the opportunity, not when you have to. IPSC shooters routinely drop the mag prior to it being emptied. That way there is a round in the chamber, allowing you to react and fire even if there is no magazine in place. This is the reason why people disable magazine disconnect devices in their guns........

Yup. I won't even consider a semi auto for self defense if it won't fire with the mag dropped.

 

[EvilBetty]

They're demonstrating from the shooter's perspective, if a shooter is popping off rounds in a gun free zone they could easily keep track.

Honestly, doing that is so common I didn't think anything of it.

I agree, but a lot criminals will not be so practiced at that in most cases. I wish they had gone through a couple other scenarios. I would have liked to seen them demonstrate a couple more scenarios for transparency, because it's an issue the anti-gunners are going to pick at.

A lot of semi-autos will chamber a round from slide-lock when a full magazine is smacked in. And working the slide or bolt release really doesn't add all that much time either. That would have been something good to add.

Does it take more time? Yes. Enough time for a responder to realize the "perp" is out and reloading and respond with a shot without being fired back at, probably not. That in addition to the "tackle" idea would have been good to add.

 

[magsherman]

The shooter will have plenty of time to change mags because we (the honest people) will all be "dis-armed".

 

[Poodle Soup]

Doesnt matter if they are reloading with a powder horn, wadding, and ball if everyone else is disarmed.

 

[HeyJoe]

several states including new york have had discussions in the legislature to limit the number of magazines you could own to 2 in addition to round limits. im not sure that pointing out in these states how quickly you can reload is the best policy right now.

 

[Garand Man]

It's common practice to reload when you have the opportunity, not when you have to. IPSC shooters routinely drop the mag prior to it being emptied. That way there is a round in the chamber, allowing you to react and fire even if there is no magazine in place. This is the reason why people disable magazine disconnect devices in their guns........

All,
it's called a TACTICAL RELOAD...!!! you do two things by doing such a maneuver...
you are loading said handgun back up to full capacity... and you save the rest of your rounds in the partially used mag...just in case you have to go back to those few rounds left in a SHTF scenario... every round you may carry... may just count.!!!!!

Paul

 

[bdshort]

I'm new to handgun shooting so I hadn't actually thought about changing mags before you fire the last round from the chamber. Of course, it seems obvious but it hadn't occurred to me. Thanks for the lesson!