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The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV
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vonn
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Glad it isn't my weapon they are playing with!
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sgtsandman
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I've never seen dust and/or sand like in the Middle East. It gets into EVERYTHING, no matter how sealed it is. That is one instance where a dust cover helps but the rifle needs to be run dry too.
Don't believe everything U see on tv............
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Yeah deff don't need one unless your in a theater of war. I've never had to use the forward assist yet and that's after shooting a col thousand rounds. I guess it gives people peace of mind in the civilian world having those things.
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Actually the forward assist was one of those things the military insisted on "because soldiers want something to push on like they're used to". They were referring to the M-14 (and M-1) operating rod.
Eugene Stoner didn't want one; he felt if pushing on the thumb divot on the bolt didn't seat the round, the best thing was to get that round outa there. I personally agree with him.
Eugene Stoner didn't want one; he felt if pushing on the thumb divot on the bolt didn't seat the round, the best thing was to get that round outa there. I personally agree with him.
While both features are admittedly "nice", and look real cool, they are largely un-necessary.
The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, so the forward assist often just serves to make a genuine jam, worse. It's redundant, if not counter productive.
But, the military boys got them, so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC) just gots to have them too.
(this pretty much describes the entire AR/AK upgrade/accessory market).
The dust cover is actually a beneficial feature, but as stated already, in severely dusty environments, it's still nearly useless.
And these severely dusty environments don't exist in the vast majority of this country.
And, of course, in the middle of one of these popularly imagined, domestic, 1000-rd firefights, the dust cover will still be wide open the entire time. Whatcha gonna do THEN ??
As I said, they're nice to have (sorta), and they surely look cool, but their value in the real world is not nearly is high as is generally assumed.
(I never felt even remotely under-gunned with a humble Sport I).
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The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, so the forward assist often just serves to make a genuine jam, worse. It's redundant, if not counter productive.
But, the military boys got them, so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC) just gots to have them too.
(this pretty much describes the entire AR/AK upgrade/accessory market).The dust cover is actually a beneficial feature, but as stated already, in severely dusty environments, it's still nearly useless.
And these severely dusty environments don't exist in the vast majority of this country.
And, of course, in the middle of one of these popularly imagined, domestic, 1000-rd firefights, the dust cover will still be wide open the entire time. Whatcha gonna do THEN ??
As I said, they're nice to have (sorta), and they surely look cool, but their value in the real world is not nearly is high as is generally assumed.
(I never felt even remotely under-gunned with a humble Sport I).
That is all
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Yeah if I were in actual combat give me a forward assist in case.
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vonn
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Fun to follow post,one of those things that has strong views for and against! Some good points on both sides. Never needed a forward assist but don't mind having it just in case,like having a dust cover helps keep trash out of the action when in the field.
While both features are admittedly "nice", and look real cool, they are largely un-necessary.
The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, so the forward assist often just serves to make a genuine jam, worse. It's redundant, if not counter productive.
But, the military boys got them, so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC) just gots to have them too.
The dust cover is actually a beneficial feature, but as stated already, in severely dusty environments, it's still nearly useless.
And these severely dusty environments don't exist in the vast majority of this country.
And, of course, in the middle of one of these popularly imagined, domestic, 1000-rd firefights, the dust cover will still be wide open the entire time. Whatcha gonna do THEN ??
As I said, they're nice to have (sorta), and they surely look cool, but their value in the real world is not nearly is high as is generally assumed.
(I never felt even remotely under-gunned with a humble Sport I).
That is all
Ah................it's just the wanna-be's that go for the so called
extra weighty addons such as the forward assist & dust cover.
Good to know......
edit: I'm being a bit sarcastic. Do think P-40s were good looking for their time, though.
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A recent study has shown that Sports w/o a dust cover and Sport 2s with the dust cover open get a minimal amount of dust in them while in the gun cabinet or being transported in the trunk of the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.
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If you guys don't follow In Range take the time and watch some of their videos. Generally good stuff like shooting 2 gun matches with one using a Garand and a 1911, the other a K98k and a P-38.
They kept getting asked to do mud tests and gave in doing a few. They did a AK-47 and it kinda failed. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds! They did a AR and it had no problems like this one. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds again. They explained how the AK with lots of openings wouldn't do well and the AR with very little ways to let mud is just a different design, not better. The AK fan boys lost their minds again and accused them of all sorts of things. Pretty funny.
The guy with the goatee is Ian McCollum. He has a web site/video channel on his own, Forgotten Weapons. Great if your interested in the history of firearms.
They kept getting asked to do mud tests and gave in doing a few. They did a AK-47 and it kinda failed. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds! They did a AR and it had no problems like this one. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds again. They explained how the AK with lots of openings wouldn't do well and the AR with very little ways to let mud is just a different design, not better. The AK fan boys lost their minds again and accused them of all sorts of things. Pretty funny.
The guy with the goatee is Ian McCollum. He has a web site/video channel on his own, Forgotten Weapons. Great if your interested in the history of firearms.
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I followed in range. The guy is on par with Gabe Suarez
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old tanker
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About the only time the forward assist is useful is when you are trying to chamber a round "quietly." If you ride the charging handle home it is possible that the bolt may not go all the way into battery, then the forward assist is handy.
bloodlord77
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Obviously an AR doesn't NEED a foward assist, or dust cover to function. It also doesn't need the brass deflector. As a lefty, I sure am glad that brass deflector is on there. I'm also glad that all of my rifles have foward assists, and dust covers. As far as that goes, you really don't need magazines. You can simply drop a round into the chamber and drop the bolt...But those magazines sure are nice....
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