The Best Target .38/.357 S&W revolver ?

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Well here is something I wish to purchase if I can. What were/are the best .38/.357 target use revolvers made by Smith? I wish to shoot the revolver in slow, standing, bulls eye shooting. I know I may get different opinions but that is how one learns.
 
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Well I would have to say any of the model 14s for .38 and I was looking at a 19-4 the other day with a 6in barrel w/ patridge sights that I would think would be the ticket for .357
 
Revolvers are considered old school in Bullseye now, but my 8" Model 14 is still as accurate as ever. I use home cast 148gr wadcutters over 3gr of HP38/231.

Now that IDPA/SSR is so popular, I would be remiss not to mention the 4" Model 686 SSR for revolver target shooting of a different sort.
 
I shot a 6" single action 14 .38spl for the first time last week, my shootin buddy picked it up at a pawn shop for $450 in great shape. The best shooting revo I've ever shot.
 
If you're limiting your marksmanhip to .38 caliber, then the Model 14 is considered the paradigm of Smith's target revolvers. There are lots of used ones out there, and they're inherently accurate. Trigger jobs, tuning, and stocks replacement enhance the revolver's performance.

Personally, I would avoid a .357 magnum, since the extra bullet jump distance in the cylinder can contribute to inaccuracy. However, you can put .38 special loads in .357 magnum cases to avoid this.

However, you shouldn't limit yourself to only S&W. One of the best target revolvers out there is the Colt Officer's Match Model. It has a slightly larger frame, and it's the basis (I Frame) for the Colt Python.

The two revolvers have completely different lock-up styles, so you should look at both to see which suits your shooting style best.
 
If I was looking for a Bullseye revolver right now I'd probably look at one of the .38 special 6" 686s'. They are fairly heavy with their full lug and if that was too much I'd try for a nice used 14.
 
I want to thank all who responded. I should have deliniated that If I were to go strictly .357 magnum so as to use the revolver as a non target magnum, and be able to go back and forth as I wish. THEN which model would I choose? If I went with a perfomance series edition would I then be able to forego having it tuned, etc ? Name some models in performance center revolvers and non performance center that I might lean towards. In the present and past.
Thanks ahead of time
 
I'm looking at several guns for my future daughter-in-law to use for training purposes and recreational shooting with a possibility of some close-range whitetail deer hunting in the future. I have narrowed my choices to a 4" 686 or 4" 66 as both are accurate well-made revolvers that can handle all the aforementioned tasks without being excessively heavy.

I shot a 4" Model 19, an 8-3/8" Model 14 and a 6" Python for bullseye shooting and the occasional PPC match back in the 1970s. All three shot well for me; the Python was a slight favorite due to its slicker double action, but as far as bang for the buck goes, any S&W K-frame or L-frame with an adjustable sight would be hard to beat.

Ed
 
As proof I'm getting to be an old geezer and am stuck in the past, if I was going to target shoot with 38 Specials I would look for an Outdoorsman. Weight in the hand to make for a steady hold and the sight radius that comes with a 6.5" N-frame. (smiley face goes here)

Dave
 
My Model 14 is probably the most accurate revolver I own--over my 686+, 25-2, and K-22 five-screw (1947). Great trigger and just really satisfying to shoot, with 148-gr. wadcutters.

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IMO, if you want the best accuracy, you're going to have to look for a suspended barrel. That means one of the S&W models with this feature such as the, 620, M&P R8, 386 Light Hunter, or the 327 TRR8.

If you want to look for another brand, try and locate a Dan Wesson revolver, when properly set up and in capable hands, they have a reputation for being capable of 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards. As for why a suspended barrel, in this system the barrel is restrained at two points, the frame at the rear and the end of the barrel at the end of the barrel shroud. This greatly reduces barrel whip due to a bullet transitting the barrel. One plus for the Dan Wesson as opposed to the S&W is that the lock for the cylinder on a Dan Wesson is at the crane, moving the lock point as close to the B/C gap as can be achieved. Which is why S&W has toyed with a detent in the crane on some models over the years. Unfortunately, Dan Wesson revolvers are no longer made, so all you can find is used.

I have the 620 which is fitted with a J Point reflex and from a sandbag rest I've shot a 1.75 inch group at 35 yards with Speer Lawman 125 grain 38 spl. TMJ. This group featured a vertical deviation of 3/8 inch and a horizontal spread of 1.75 inch. I have no doubt that if my release skills were better I could have grouped it under an inch, probably in the range of 5/8 to 7/8 inch. Point is, even with 38 spl. with the right ammo this gun can shoot. BTW, with cheap Federal American Eagle it'll group at 2.25 inch at 35 yards with the spread being mainly vertical. It's a darned shame that Speer stopped making the 125 grain TMJ, I shot my last box getting that 1.75 inch group so now it's back to looking for something else as good. Next up to try is the current Lawman TMJ, a 158 grain in 38 +P.

Now, if you want to use one of the more common models, such as a 686, I would suggest that you go a bit against the common wisdom. From an Engineering standpoint a SHORTER barrel will have less "whip" due to the bullet transitting the barrel. Since optical sights are now permitted in bullseye shooting, there really isn't any advantage to a longer barrel. Reflex sights produce a projected image at a distance equivalent to 40 to 75 yards, so in practice the sight radius equivalent to the distance to the target. So, if you're shooting at 50 yards, you have an effective sight radius of 50 yards. That pretty much negates the advantage a long barrel provides and allows you to use a shorter barrel that is effectively much stiffer. For a 686, my recomendation would be the 3 inch version simply because it will insure a full ejection stroke, however for a pure bullseye gun the 2.5 inch would have a slight advantage in terms of barrel whip.

As for the "bullet jump" when using a 38 spl. in a 357 Magnum chamber, my own experience is that the effect on accuracy is not measurable unless you've got the gun bolted into a machine rest. For me, the 38 spl. is far more accurate because I can't afford to shoot enough 357 Magnum to get my recoil control to the point where I can shoot it well enough for precision. At 35 yards my group sizes nearly triple with the Magnum and it's all due to somewhat poor follow through. I also can't group well at 50 yards because these old eyes don't see the target well enough at that range, however I do have some fun at ranges where I can still see the bullseye.
 
They all have their good points. While I could get my 14 to do pretty good, current favorite is the 627 4". Can do 357 or 38, as good a trigger as any Smith out there.

I really like the 8 shot cylinder for other non-bullseye matches.
 
I have a Model 627 (Model of 1989) that is very accurate. It has a 5.5" full lug barrel and round butt finger groove wood grips. The Performance Center still makes this model. I'm sure the PC ones are just as nice, if not nicer, then the one I have.
 
I have a K38 with a 6" barrel made in 1952, the same as Model 14 today that is the most accurate hand gun I own.
 
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