The Colt Official Police versus the S&W Model 10, Battle of the Service Revolvers!

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The Colt Official Police versus the S&W Model 10, Battle of the Service Revolvers!

In 1971 when I first entered law enforcement the PD contract battle between Colt and S&W had already been decided. The S&W Model 10 had won, and by a large margin. From what I have ascertained, several reasons led to the Official Police going from first to last. The pre-war Colt OP was leading in PD and civilian sales and in the post war years that flipped. The training for law enforcement, after the war, changed and no single action shooting was done anymore which was beneficial to the M&P. The M&P trigger was a smooth delivery on double-action shooting whereas the OP had a "stacking" issue at the end of the double-action trigger-pull, which was off-setting to some. The price of the OP was going up and up, much more so than the S&W blasters. The OP trigger-workings had to be "hand-honed" and "hand-fitted" by an advanced craftsman. This was a time consuming and expensive process for Colt, but this alone didn't drive the cost up as much as the labor cost. The labor union had Colt in a strangle hold in post-war years and labor cost "soared" at Colt driving the cost of all Colt firearms up and up! Are you getting the picture? True, the stacking trigger of the Colt Revolver didn't help but the labor costs was the ultimate knockout shot! Management at Colt committed its share of blunders too along the way adding to the companies woes. Colt started losing PD contracts on service revolvers and in 1973 when Ruger entered into the police revolver business, that was it! By 1975 most large contracts was going to S&W with Ruger getting most of the rest. This, I believe, led to the battle between the Colt Official Police and the Smith & Wesson Model 10 being decided, not by quality, but by labor costs at Colt, which led to the victory of the Model 10 over the OP.

I know this is a rather simple mans way of looking at "what" killed off a great revolver like the Official Police but I think that "it-is-what-it-is". I was first introduced to the Model 10 as a rookie cop in 1971. This was our PD authorized duty revolver then and I was issued a Model 10-5. A blue steel finish with a four-inch tapered barrel. In that same time period I was given a Colt Official Police .38 as a Christmas present and for years following I got familiar with both. To this day my "authorized" duty gun is the same Official Police from my rookie year. I also have a Model 10-5 too, just like the one in my rookie year (71), and with good .38 ammo I don't feel under-gunned one bit. I was grand-fathered in with my Colt if the reader is wondering what a cop in 2013 is doing with a .38 revolver in his holster. The very last of the wheelgun guys with no other law enforcement officer in this area packing the old service revolver. The "feel" of an all-steel sixgun in my hand, be it my Colt or my Model 10, would always take precedent with me over black square polymer self-loaders anytime. Thanks my friends!
David
 
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Stainless, too.

Colt's refusal to embrace stainless probably didn't help them at all.

My 1st service revolver was a " Colt OP in the 70's, although Model 10s were issued as well; when the switch was made to 4" guns in 1980, mine was replaced by a 4" OP. The decision was made to go with stainless in the early 80s, and Colt was out of the picture at that point, with no dog in the fight, and gave up.

If you really want to compare actions, try to find an old guy who shot a Colt in PPC as opposed to a Smith - there ain't many!
 
My first service revolver was a Model 19. On my department we bought our own equipment and though I owned a Python at the time I could never bring myself to put any holster wear on it. When S&W came out with their stainless revolvers it was a no brainer to switch to a Model 66. By then I also owned a stainless Python but once again I didn't want to put any holster wear on it.
 
When I joined in 1978, there were S&W Model 10's of every vintage, Colt O.P.'s and Colt Police Positives. We carried them in cross draw flap holsters. In 1985, after several Officer shootings our Dept transitioned to a conventional open holster worn on the strong side made by "Boss Rogers". The holster only fit the S&W Model 10 securely. Anyone that had a non S&W (I was issued a 50's vintage hand-me-down Police Positive, that I really liked BTW) had to turn them in. I ended up with a new Model 10-7 tapered barrel. I heard that all the Colts were sent to the bottom of Lake Ontario, which was quite common back then during gun amnesties. The tree huggers would have a fit now.
 
The kiss of death for Colt's market share was the price.
In the days before WWII, the average Cop was issued a revolver in a police academy and carried it for his entire career.

After the war, departments began trading guns in for new ones every few years and the higher price of the Colt was harder to justify.
Before the war, most major departments and the FBI and other law enforcement usually bought Colt. After the war they started mixing the brands, and the tendency to follow what the "big boys" were buying got confused.

While Colt came out with the world's first medium frame DA revolver in .357 Magnum with the 3-5-7 Model it was more expensive and S&W still managed to steal the market with the lighter, "Sexier" S&W Model 19 with it's shrouded barrel.
The Model 19 became THE police revolver, and this carried over to the cheaper fixed sight models.
By the time Colt came out with the Mark III series, the revolver was on the way out and it was too late.

Still, a LOT of American cops carried Colt Troopers and especially the Detective Special for a good many years, but the S&W was too far ahead in Service pistols for Colt to hang on.
Just as S&W was congratulating themselves on capturing the American police market, some weird terrorist's plastic pistol named "Glock" showed up.
 
I started in the mid-1980's, and I only carried a revolver a couple of years before we went to wonder 9's. I started with a model 13, and then when my funding allowed (we bought our own firearms) I picked up a 686. I never really liked the Colts because of the trigger stacking. Most of the officers carried either Smiths or Rugers.
 
Just as S&W was congratulating themselves on capturing the American police market, some weird terrorist's plastic pistol named "Glock" showed up.

Fast forward to 2013 and Glock is still making essentially the same gun and starting to see their market dominance eroded by...Smith & Wesson and the M&P model. Oh someone at Glock saw that the ergonomics of the M&P and the interchangable back strap was gaining favor and came out with the Gen 4 to compete. Poor attempt IMHO. It's still a 2x4 like grip in my hand.

I love my N frames, but not sure I want to carry one around everyday just due to the weight, mainly. I would feel just as capable and safe with one though.

I wonder if we'll look back fondly on the polymer guns of this era when energy beam weapons are the current norm? Somehow I doubt it. Kind of like cars. I doubt anyone 60 years from now will look at anything being sold today and say, "Wow look at that classic beauty." Like we do when we see a '57 T-bird, Cadillac, or other greats of that era.
 
I wonder if we'll look back fondly on the polymer guns of this era when energy beam weapons are the current norm? Somehow I doubt it. Kind of like cars. I doubt anyone 60 years from now will look at anything being sold today and say, "Wow look at that classic beauty." Like we do when we see a '57 T-bird, Cadillac, or other greats of that era.

No...classics are classics for a reason. I hear alot more Eric Clapton, Aerosmith and Fleetwood Mac on the radio today than I do the BeeGees or KC and the Sunshine Band...

Just saying.... :)
 
Dabney,
I think its really cool that you still carry a revolver. I would think you are one of the few.

We always say it's about hitting your target, not the caliber or number of rounds you fire. A 158 gr RNL in the right place does the same job 17 rds of 9X19 will do.
 
I don't think the postwar years were as devestating to colt as dabney indicates. Colt still had a very strong market and following well into the 60s. Chic Gaylord spoke VERY highly of the Colt Official Police in his Handgunners Guide of 1960. Calling it "rugged and dependable" praising it as the finest service revolver that has stood the test of time. Didn't think too highly of S&W's either. Claimed the OP could handle loads that would turn S&W K frames into "shards of flying steel"

Personally I prefer the Colt Official Police (though I do like the S&W Model 10. My dad has a M-10-5 that I got him for his B day 8 years ago. It's the gun he simply calls "A Thirty Eight Special" or "My Thirty Eight Special" that he grew up associating with police in the 1950s in Jackson, MS.)

Anyway, the Offical Police used to be more common than Glocks are today and for a MUCH longer period of time. Half a century. It is in fact built on a larger frame than the Model 10. It has a larger cylinder with thicker walls. It has a heavier barrel. (except for the HB version of the M-10, which Gaylord actually admired S&W for having done in 1960 but still wondered about the smaller cylinder). Personally I don't mind the stacking. Not only have I gotten used to it, but it actually helps me in accuracy in a way. It causes the shooter to squeeze instead of jerk not only the trigger but the whole gun...almost making it feel like a part of your hand by the time it goes BOOM
 
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We always say it's about hitting your target, not the caliber or number of rounds you fire. A 158 gr RNL in the right place does the same job 17 rds of 9X19 will do.

Until Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis, Keanu Reeves, etc. came along in the late 80s with their spray cans hosing 9mm and .40 S&W rounds all over creation while bouncing off walls and gave all the young rookie cops with their revolvers inferiority complexes . And of course all my gun enthusiast peers feel the same way. They all have to have 15 rounds crammed into a gun because they're afraid Jason Voorhees is going to come after them and "six won't be enough" or they'll get into some Matrixish situation.

I'm young and I seem to go against all this. I actually prefer revolvers to semi autos in shooting, handling and even carrying. I don't feel the least bit undergunned with 6 shots in a Colt or S&W .38 spl. and am striving for shot placement, not spraying and praying Mel Gibson style. If I'm in so bad a situation where I need a jillion rounds, 1) I'm probably going to die, 2) I don't want any handgun, I want my rifle or shotgun.

(Let's remember that it was a S&W loaded with .38 Special and a man using well placed shots that finally put down the two savage killers armed with sawed off shotguns and Ruger Mini 14s in the Miami-Dade shootout in 1986. Not high capacity 9mms that were used by several of the FBI agents present)
 
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I have several S&W md 10s as well as several older pre 10 M&Ps and
one Colt Official Police 4" 38 spl made in the early 50s. I like the colt
for what it is and shoot it occasionally with my plinking loads along
with my older M&Ps. I treat all of my older 38 spls the same way; light
loads and gentle handling with all shooting single action only. When
it comes to comparisons between the two I defer to what I read in an
article in the American Rifleman magazine some years back rather
than subjective evaluations of things like handling and trigger pull.
The article stated that during WW2 the US Government tested the
S&W M&P and Colt OP and found the S&W to be far more durable and
reliable and relegated the Colt to basically non combat duty.
 
From an appearance standpoint I think the Official Police is a very attractive revolver and it is a classic. Here are a couple of mine that I still trot out to the range once in awhile.
 

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Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know the reason why the cylinder release latch on a S&W is activated by a forward motion of the thumb (toward the muzzle), and on a Colt it is activated toward the shooter?

I bought a Colt King Cobra from a co-worker a few years ago and could never get used to the "backwards" cylinder release. I ended up trading it for a S&W 610 and never looked back!

Thanks,
Lou
 
Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know the reason why the cylinder release latch on a S&W is activated by a forward motion of the thumb (toward the muzzle), and on a Colt it is activated toward the shooter?

I bought a Colt King Cobra from a co-worker a few years ago and could never get used to the "backwards" cylinder release. I ended up trading it for a S&W 610 and never looked back!

Thanks,
Lou


Lou, It's just a traditional design thing. Colt designed theirs first and I'm sure S&W didn't want to copy them. On Rugers you push the latch straight in.
 
"I put a Colt Official Police and Model 10 head to head so to speak a while back."
Thats a great article Dave, very enjoyable reading about two old warhorses head to head! :)
 
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