The Gunfather: Restorations

Joined
Apr 4, 2008
Messages
8,289
Reaction score
13,705
Location
South Carolina
I realize that gun refinishing or restoration can be a very polarizing subject on this forum, but I enjoy watching the TV show, “The Gunfather: Restorations” on the Outdoor Channel. There are a few things that draw me to this show. First, I absolutely love when they show the an aerial view of the shop where you can see the surrounding landscape. The shop is located in Hamilton, Montana and it looks beautiful to me. Next, when they show the outside and inside of the shop, for some reason in my mind’s eye, it reminds me of what I think the perfect western gun shop would look like. The inside of the front of the shop has some brick walls, high ceilings, wood floors, wooden and glass display cases instead of stainless steel, and just basically has that vintage look. Lastly, Louie, the host shows his excitement in everything he does. He might not do a thing on the restoration himself, but he’s always excited to receive the gun, find out it’s story from the customer, and present the finished piece back to them in the end. Obviously, in the back of the shop, they have ALL the modern equipment to do these restorations that in years past was completely done by hand. I even find it interesting, when they use a 3D camera thingy to map the stocks so they can recreate them with their fancy equipment. I also find it interesting that the show is “presented to you by Colt”, and have seen an episode where they did a Colt Python.

I just watched an episode that I had recorded a while back. The gun that was submitted to the shop was owned by outdoor host and famous hunter, Michael Waddell of “Bone Collector” fame. It was his grandfather’s very rough .22 caliber Winchester Model 62A. I have always enjoyed watching Michael’s “Bone Collector” hunting series. He seems like a “good ole boy” and reminds me of some of my southern hunting buddies. The stock and forearm of the Winchester were in rough condition and made of very plain wood. Believe me, I understand the feeling that ALL the dents, scratches, and scrapes were put on the rifle by his grandfather and that they represent history, and each one tells a story! I also understand the thinking that replacing them and restoring the rifle is COMPLETELY ruining the history of a cherished heirloom. But, it is the gun owner’s choice. Right or wrong in our opinion, Louie did two things to entirely change the looks of the rifle. First, he chose an absolute gorgeous set of walnut blanks to made the new stocks from. Next, he chose to have the Winchester logo engraved on one side of the receiver since “that is what the rifles in the shooting arcades” used to look like. He considered these upgrades. I know folks here will feel like it completely ruined the gun, and that after doing that, it’s NOT HIS grandfather’s gun anymore at all. They did their work on the rifle, and from the views I saw on TV, it looked really nice! Maybe, up close, not so much, but that’s neither here nor there.

In the end when Louie presented the rifle to Michael, it was terrific. Michael looked at it in amazement, and even teared up, saying how awesome it looked, and how he could hardly wait to get it back, so he could take it out and shoot it in memory of his grandfather.

Like I said at the beginning of my post, I realize this is controversial here. But, the customers of the shop always are very happy with the results, and it is their gun. I would love to have his woodpile, just like I would love to have John Culina’s or Keith Brown’s! There is nothing finer to me than fancy wood on a gun. I also love to see blued steel and wood on vintage guns instead of the “plastic fantastic” stuff of today. Does anyone else here watch the show?
Larry
 
Register to hide this ad
Very interesting writeup. I have never seen this show but will search for it. I has into very serious car restoration but would probably not restore a "historical" firearm. But, that said, there are possibly situations where I would... my 1917 asembley 1911 which has seen 2 visits to the armory. I wish I could put it back to the way it shipped. I've owned it for 56 years and added a few scuffs.
 
I would do a few things differently, but the customers seem pleased. Enjoyable and entertaining show. I'm amazed at their laser engraver when duplicating factory markings. I'd really like to see one of those remarked guns in hand with a 10x loupe.
 
The TRUE restoration folks are in a different galaxy than the very best of the refinishers!

I once saw a before and after of a Registered Magnum. The before (pictures) looked like it had been dragged behind a truck down a gravel road for a mile or so---bouncing this way and that! The after I held in my hands looked like a new gun---in ALL respects! Perhaps the most impressive aspect was the restoration of the stampings----logo and lettering---absolutely flawless! The only thing that had been replaced was the rear sight---and the grips.

I saw similar examples of such work during a visit at Turnbull's--albeit on slab sided Winchester rifles. The term "magnificent" doesn't do it justice!!

The price for this kind of work ain't cheap, but it looked like it was worth it!!

Ralph Tremaine
 
Sorry Larry, but the "Gunfather" series on the Outdoor Channel makes me ill. I watched the original series a couple of years ago when Louie's father was still involved, but then again so was his "trophy wife" and son. The show was a waste of time...buying and selling firearms for extravagant prices, a little outdoor family shooting, trying to teach Louie Jr. about guns, and plenty of TV family drama. This new series (without father and wife), highlights Louie trying to make the audience believe that he is truly concerned about his clients and making their firearm restoration dreams come true. Fahgetaboudit, Louie. You're a TV ham. Your gunsmith may be OK, but the lady you have hand polishing firearms with sandpaper or on the buffing wheel is a joke. If you like watching the show, great. I refuse to watch it and much prefer shows like "Guns & Ammo TV", "Shooting Gallery", "Gun Stories" and "Shooting USA". RIP Jim Scoutten.
 
I have watched a few of the episodes. On the Colt Detective Special they did, they polished, filed the side plate so bad, that you could actually see a lip where it met the rest of the frame. Also, according to the owner, every gun manufactured came finished with a super high polish, bright blue finish, no matter if it was a Colt, S&W or Ruger.
 
Some people do not share our passion for originality. There are different reasons for wanting a gun spruced up, and the folks on the show fulfill a need/want for 'some' people. I found the show interesting, but did not go back for more - just wasn't that interesting to me. I prefer to hold examples that don't need 'work'.
 
Is there a difference between restore, re-finish and stabilize? Is there a collector agreed upon definition pf all three terms?

Restore = return the gun to the way it looked and functioned the day it left the factory. One should not be able to determine if the gun is brand new or excellently restored. Very difficult to do outside the factory unless the restorer duplicates factory methods and equipment or very similar.

Refinish = the gun is reblued, replated or other non-factory finish applied like Armoloy, Cerakote, etc. Quality of a refinish varies from very good to very bad. Under no circumstances will a knowledgeable observer mistake it for an original factory finish or a restoration.
Mechanical function is not addressed or improved except as a separate task.

Stabilize = a generic term. To me it would mean cleaning and oiling/coating a gun with a product, especially for active rust to stop further rusting/deterioration. And remove it from a damp location or leather holster. Painting a gun might be considered stabilizing but I’d classify it as a poor refinish.
 
Last edited:
I’ve watched a few times. More like a reality show than a gun show. And if his wife is considered a trophy like a previous post suggest, I’d hate to see what second and third place are like. YIKES
 
I have a friend that restores antique muzzle loaders. One of his projects was a very early Brown Bess. All he got to start with was enough stock to hold the butt plate up to about the lock and part of the trigger assembly, barrel was attached. He has a partner who specializes in returning new to look old. My friend began by adding pieces of walnut, selected to match the grain of the original. The first time I saw the rifle it was on his work bench with jigsaw pieces of wood glued here and there. I asked "How many pieces are there?" He told me "Around thirty or so." He eventually built the entire stock out with over One hundred and sixty "sisters" adding up to make a full stock Brown Bess. It was nearly impossible to tell. Then he went about restoring the metal pieces and when done and sent off to his partner was a complete rifle. According to him it was likely one of the earliest American Militia rifles and due to being found in Boston even more so, their objective was to restore it to how it would look today if it had not been subjected to harsh elements. It resides in a museum back East.
 
Jim, thanks. Nice and concise and clear. is conserve a better term than stabilize?

Yes conserve or preserve works for me. That’s basically what I do with all new and used guns (and vehicles for that matter); properly handle and maintain while enjoying their use.

In other disciplines the term “arrested deterioration” comes to mind.
 
You have to wonder how often they really know what they are doing on these TV shows.

There was a different show where they worked on a Type 38 Arisaka. Some of the comments about the gun were ridiculous, like "Don't load the test ammo too hot, it's Japanese ". This is talking about an action that P O Ackley couldn't break, even when rechambered to 30-06 with the 6.5 barrel still on it.:eek::eek::eek: Then there was the guy in the shop struggling to close the bolt while at the same time pulling the trigger like you do on a Mauser to decock the striker. You cannot do that on an Arisaka, the bolt is just different enough to preclude that maneuver or you end up with the gun very locked up.

YouTube is no better. Do a search on H&K P7s, or the Steyr GB. You won't get through three videos on those pistols before some yahoo describes either or even both as "gas operated". Nope.
 
This reminds me of the old story of grandpa's axe. After the handle broke and was replaced, then years later the head was broken and replaced, was it still grandpa's axe?
 
I watched the Gunfather explain his theories and procedures to check a Colt Python for proper timing. Was not impressed at all. He obviously has a successful restoration business and is a YouTube personality, but that’s all. He has handled more Colt revolvers than I ever will, and should know better how to spot timing trouble.
 
Back
Top