HOUSTON RICK
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All kidding aside maybe a good time to buy the stock.
The mire gets deeper for Boeing
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All depends on whether or not Boeing can shake this new and rather dramatic hit to their "safest in the sky" reputation... and then actually start selling planes again. Regardless, I don't see it as a quick turn-around situation. That's a lot of totally avoidable dead passengers for people to forget, especially when there is another highly-competitive alternative brand without that stigma.
All depends on whether or not Boeing can shake this new and rather dramatic hit to their "safest in the sky" reputation... and then actually start selling planes again. Regardless, I don't see it as a quick turn-around situation. That's a lot of totally avoidable dead passengers for people to forget, especially when there is another highly-competitive alternative brand without that stigma.
Airbus and the A300 series of aircraft have had there share of crashes.
List of accidents and incidents involving the Airbus A320 family - Wikipedia
There are more 737 series aircraft in service than any other major airliner.
Boeing will be fine.
And stronger in the end.
List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737 - Wikipedia
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Actually, if you read enough about all of those tragedies, you'd never want to fly in anything ever again.
Stronger in the end?
I'm not seeing that happy ending developing just yet, but it's still early. People forget. People move on. That's how life works. Buying Boeing stock on the double crashes dip may work. I think I'll pass.They need em’ in Florida
Like another poster said, possibly a time to buy it after all the negative publicity! If (BIG IF) they get their problems satisfactorily straightened out, it might be worth acquiring a few shares. Do diligence is highly recommended!
steveno
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when the 737 Max gets recertified (and it will be) it will probably be the safest airplane out there
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
You have to put the dangers of civilization in perspective once in a while.
When 300 people die in a plane crash, that gets people upset and a lot of attention.
When 300 people die in 300 separate traffic accidents, which we manage in the US on average every three days, it doesn’t even register unless it got someone you care about.
But as there is no viable alternative to air travel (retirees who have the time to drive don’t count in the overall scheme of things), people will move on and keep flying.
So as for Boeing, there may be a short-term competitive glitch versus Airbus from the 737 mess, but both manufacturers have order books filled for several years out and there is no serious competition yet. They’ll do fine.
When 300 people die in a plane crash, that gets people upset and a lot of attention.
When 300 people die in 300 separate traffic accidents, which we manage in the US on average every three days, it doesn’t even register unless it got someone you care about.
But as there is no viable alternative to air travel (retirees who have the time to drive don’t count in the overall scheme of things), people will move on and keep flying.
So as for Boeing, there may be a short-term competitive glitch versus Airbus from the 737 mess, but both manufacturers have order books filled for several years out and there is no serious competition yet. They’ll do fine.
Yup. That's kind of like eating at the buffet the day after it opens again after being shut down by the health department. Place will never be cleaner . . .
Actually, if you read enough about all of those tragedies, you'd never want to fly in anything ever again.
Stronger in the end?
I work in aviation.
Boeing aint going anywhere.
They will fix the issues retro the a/c in field and move on.
The labor cost of building AC in USA is more a threat to them than a glitch in a new(er) airframe design.
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LVSteve
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Care to comment on the reports that they have problems getting workers that give a flying Walinda?
Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet - The New York Times
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New Headline: "Boeing 737 Max likely grounded until the end of the year after new problem emerges"
Boeing 737 Max likely grounded until the end of the year
Bargain hunters, get ready to pounce on that stock!
Boeing 737 Max likely grounded until the end of the year
Bargain hunters, get ready to pounce on that stock!
People leave things in bad places on AC all the time.
Recently one of my customer Falcon Jet after repair had a bucking bar (large chunk of steel) inside the skin of the horz stab. Looked like a bunch of midgets with ball peans had been in there.
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Recently one of my customer Falcon Jet after repair had a bucking bar (large chunk of steel) inside the skin of the horz stab. Looked like a bunch of midgets with ball peans had been in there.
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gman51
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I have heard that Boeing in order to save money has been hiring less educated foreigners replacing experienced better educated American employees in their design departments. Who knows maybe that has something to do with these crashes.
Lee in Quartzsite
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Just my opinion...I think once the FAA certifies the 737 Max for flight people will avoid flying on it, which will lead to more flight disruptions. I recently had a flight from Las Vegas to Seattle rescheduled three times because of aircraft shortages.
Used to be planes were flown by a competent pilot with years of experience, not a computer programmed by some software genius sitting in an office on the ground. Most newer planes today can takeoff, fly and land without any pilot input.
Used to be planes were flown by a competent pilot with years of experience, not a computer programmed by some software genius sitting in an office on the ground. Most newer planes today can takeoff, fly and land without any pilot input.
Software chip. Phbbt!
Instrument control is a major headache at work and my feet never leave the ground.
Instrument control is a major headache at work and my feet never leave the ground.
Hawker800
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"If it's not Boeing, it's not..." Never mind.
Some of them cant be flown by a man only. With out the input of the flt control computers. Aerodynamically unstable and human cant react fast enough keep up and input proper changes to keep the thing in the air.
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WTN1271
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Interesting article about some potential issues with outsourcing and cost savings efforts.
Bloomberg - Boeing
Reminds me of the thread about Remington and how outsider influences damaged the company.
Bloomberg - Boeing
Reminds me of the thread about Remington and how outsider influences damaged the company.
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Doug M.
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We already have too much essential stuff made overseas - well past the level of threatening our national security. Anyone looked at their meds lately? A staggering percentage are made overseas, in places and with employees who do not have a cultural of adequate care, let alone excellence.
Likewise computer chips; fabrication of tools and parts needed to make critical infrastructure, etc. I have been told by people who have reason to know that it is literally not possible make a new copy of the A-10 (Warthog), a valuable tool for close air support of ground troops.
We also have a lot of places in which "good enough" is the standard, and yet, it turns out that "good enough" is not. Living too close to Seattle (100 miles, roughly), I see a lot of reports about the latest developments in the Boeing debacle. It is pretty clear that their culture is worse than most you might find in a petri dish. People who had unpleasant things to say while this debacle was developing were pushed into corners, ignored, and/or told to shut up. What is needed instead is a culture in which upper level personnel who by definition can not be completely aware of all the things going are told the bad news and those who tell them are respected for it.
This is a typical passive-aggressive response in WA - tell people stuff they don't want to hear, and get blamed for the news instead of the blame falling on those who create the problem. I see it all the time, especially in State government. Our AG's office is a mess; the State Patrol is a lawless dysfunctional adhocracy at the top; our social service agencies are so (screwed)up that they lose major lawsuits for failing to protect the vulnerable children and adults that are the reason for their existence. I have friends in each, and they KNOW their bosses are abysmal and should be fired and maybe even prosecuted, but they have no expectation anything will improve. I am not kidding when I suggest that punishments that would make the 19th century French Foreign Legion look like a summer camp would be appropriate if we could impose those.
I am fortunate to work in a place with an elected office head who values those of us who have a clue and tell him stuff he needs to know, even if it is not fun. We are not expected to make people happy all the time; we are expected to help them do things right, and if they don't listen to good advice, to engage in coercive compliance.
Likewise computer chips; fabrication of tools and parts needed to make critical infrastructure, etc. I have been told by people who have reason to know that it is literally not possible make a new copy of the A-10 (Warthog), a valuable tool for close air support of ground troops.
We also have a lot of places in which "good enough" is the standard, and yet, it turns out that "good enough" is not. Living too close to Seattle (100 miles, roughly), I see a lot of reports about the latest developments in the Boeing debacle. It is pretty clear that their culture is worse than most you might find in a petri dish. People who had unpleasant things to say while this debacle was developing were pushed into corners, ignored, and/or told to shut up. What is needed instead is a culture in which upper level personnel who by definition can not be completely aware of all the things going are told the bad news and those who tell them are respected for it.
This is a typical passive-aggressive response in WA - tell people stuff they don't want to hear, and get blamed for the news instead of the blame falling on those who create the problem. I see it all the time, especially in State government. Our AG's office is a mess; the State Patrol is a lawless dysfunctional adhocracy at the top; our social service agencies are so (screwed)up that they lose major lawsuits for failing to protect the vulnerable children and adults that are the reason for their existence. I have friends in each, and they KNOW their bosses are abysmal and should be fired and maybe even prosecuted, but they have no expectation anything will improve. I am not kidding when I suggest that punishments that would make the 19th century French Foreign Legion look like a summer camp would be appropriate if we could impose those.
I am fortunate to work in a place with an elected office head who values those of us who have a clue and tell him stuff he needs to know, even if it is not fun. We are not expected to make people happy all the time; we are expected to help them do things right, and if they don't listen to good advice, to engage in coercive compliance.
