The only time I've ever seen a .41 Magnum on movie/tv

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Was in an episode of Adam-12 I saw recently on DVD. Believe the episode was called "The Chaser" from season 5. It is Bruce Gordon (Frank Nitti from The Untouchables) playing a private detective come to Los Angeles from the Midwest. He walks into a diner to eat, the waitress notices a gun holstered under his sportcoat and she informs Officers Reed and Malloy who are sitting a few tables away. They approach him, see he is a P.I. and disarm him noting that he is carrying a ".41 Magnum...hollow points" (from that they KNOW he is a "bad guy" since he's carrying such a powerful gun with such "dangerous bullets") They pull from his belt, presumably a M-58 or 57.

Anyone remember this episode? (or seen it recently). Has the .41 Mag been used in any other media?
 
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Hah. Remember it well; probably the only scene from that series that I do remember. I was quite young, but it was the dawn of the realization that the boys in blue had an agenda that was significantly at odds with the rights of the individual. Oh, and as I recall, he had a concealed carry permit...which didn't impress the lords of public safety.
 
I will not touch the topics of how guns/policemen/self defense are portrayed on TV; too much chance of going where we should not go! :eek:

However, on the narrow topic of TV-style concealed carry:
I was watching a Law and Order show which featured Detectives Lenny Briscoe and Rey Curtis. One scene shows them walking down the street, on the way to a crime scene or whatever. As he walks along, Detective Briscoe's unbuttoned sport coat flaps back and forth in the breeze, alternately revealing and hiding the holstered revolver on his belt.

If he's going to carry concealed, doesn't it seem like he should keep it concealed? C'mon Lenny! :D
 
Jack Flash said:
I will not touch the topics of how guns/policemen/self defense are portrayed on TV; too much chance of going where we should not go! :eek:

However, on the narrow topic of TV-style concealed carry:
I was watching a Law and Order show which featured Detectives Lenny Briscoe and Rey Curtis. One scene shows them walking down the street, on the way to a crime scene or whatever. As he walks along, Detective Briscoe's unbuttoned sport coat flaps back and forth in the breeze, alternately revealing and hiding the holstered revolver on his belt.

If he's going to carry concealed, doesn't it seem like he should keep it concealed? C'mon Lenny! :D
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Easier to draw the weapon if the coat in un-buttoned. Working "Plainsclothes" I did the same but with my badge clipped just forward of my weapon. See the weapon-see the badge.
 
Doug, what you don't know and now must be told is that there were no factory loaded hollow points available when that episode aired in 1972-73. There were only R-P 210 soft points and the lead police load. The only HP bullet for reloading, IIRC, was the 200 Speer 3/4 jacket. I've seen the episode(I have all of the seasons released so far), I couldn't tell if it was a 57 or 58. I think the writers were making up something! Bob
 
I think the "Walking Tall" movies show Sheriff Buford Pusser with a S&W .41 mag.

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When did Winchester start making .41 Magnum Silvertip hollowpoints?
I may have seen them on gun store shelves in the 1970s.

I don't recall ever seeing a .41 on TV or in the flicks.
 
headwaters said:
Hah. Remember it well; probably the only scene from that series that I do remember. I was quite young, but it was the dawn of the realization that the boys in blue had an agenda that was significantly at odds with the rights of the individual. Oh, and as I recall, he had a concealed carry permit...which didn't impress the lords of public safety.
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Yep, he had a permit which Malloy informed him "was not recognized in California" They then made him get up and go outside to lock the gun in the trunk of his car unloaded.

Later of course, he proved to be a crooked P.I. (who else but a magnum carrying guy with hollowpoints? ;) )
 
Roadranger said:
Doug, what you don't know and now must be told is that there were no factory loaded hollow points available when that episode aired in 1972-73. There were only R-P 210 soft points and the lead police load. The only HP bullet for reloading, IIRC, was the 200 Speer 3/4 jacket. I've seen the episode(I have all of the seasons released so far), I couldn't tell if it was a 57 or 58. I think the writers were making up something! Bob
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Well I don't know about .41 Mag, but .38 Special had hollow points available. In my Handgunners Guide: 1960 by Chic Gaylord, he dicusses and shows pictures of .38 Special Lead Hollowpoint Bullets. Also, isn't the late 60s or early 1970s when the F.B.I. adopted said bullet in +P giving it the name "The F.B.I. Load"?
 
Jack Flash said:
I will not touch the topics of how guns/policemen/self defense are portrayed on TV; too much chance of going where we should not go! :eek:

However, on the narrow topic of TV-style concealed carry:
I was watching a Law and Order show which featured Detectives Lenny Briscoe and Rey Curtis. One scene shows them walking down the street, on the way to a crime scene or whatever. As he walks along, Detective Briscoe's unbuttoned sport coat flaps back and forth in the breeze, alternately revealing and hiding the holstered revolver on his belt.

If he's going to carry concealed, doesn't it seem like he should keep it concealed? C'mon Lenny! :D
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I see people in movies do that all the time. Watching "Catch Me If You Can" a few weeks ago my dad and I were laughing at the FBI agents trying to "conceal themselves" at the Miami Airport sticking out like sore thumbs, collectively wearing the same color clothes, coat blows open clearly revealing a gun, guy on the roof with binoculars, walking by and talking to the bait (girl he was suppose to pick up). We were asking "are these FBI or CONTROL Agents?"

I wear sportcoats a lot and actually carry my Colt Detective Special in a crossdraw holster that way. Or a S&W M-15 or Colt Official Police in a shoulder holster. When I started carrying 7 years ago...that was one the first things I worried about was the wind blowing my coat open unbuttoned. I quickly found as long as I keep my left arm against my side and the gun at 9 o'clock position, that won't happen
 
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I don't have any printed data in front of me, but my 60 year old memory tells me that WW started loading 41 Magnums in the late 70's or early 80's. I've been shooting 41 Magnums since 1969 and R-P was the only player for the first decade or so. I know Speer and possibly Sierra added component bullets early on. I'll have to look at some of my older reloading manuals for more info. I'll have to review that episode for a closer look. BTW, Season 6 of Adam-12 will be available on January 17, I pre-ordered mine already. Bob!
 
I watch old episodes of Adam-12, Dragnet & Police Story. On Police Story a detective claimed the bad guy used a 9MM Magnum, on one episode of Adam-12 hollow points were villified & during another a sergeant caught one cop with "magnum" bullets in his .38. All these shows were in prime time and merely reflective of the 1970's. The media, who knew nothing about law enforcement or the use of deadly force, began to influence policy makers inside city/county government.

It was a crazy time to be a young cop and I'm really glad to be retired.
 
Old cop said:
I watch old episodes of Adam-12, Dragnet & Police Story. On Police Story a detective claimed the bad guy used a 9MM Magnum, on one episode of Adam-12 hollow points were villified & during another a sergeant caught one cop with "magnum" bullets in his .38. All these shows were in prime time and merely reflective of the 1970's. The media, who knew nothing about law enforcement or the use of deadly force, began to influence policy makers inside city/county government.

It was a crazy time to be a young cop and I'm really glad to be retired.
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Wasn't there a "9mm Magnum-had a longer case than a 9X19mm?
 
Simon & Simon - Rick carried a 6" #57. I have always been a huge .41 magnum fan and remember it being mentioned on at least one episode as a .41 magnum. I was thrilled because it looked just like my #57. Imagine that!!! However, I researched this on the IMFDB site and they said it was a #29. Of course, nothing is ever wrong on the internet.
 
ACP230 said:
When did Winchester start making .41 Magnum Silvertip hollowpoints?
I may have seen them on gun store shelves in the 1970s.

I don't recall ever seeing a .41 on TV or in the flicks.
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They still make them. I have some I bought a few years ago for my 4" M57. .41 Magnum loads are hard to find in a very wide selection, kind of like 16 Ga. loads. They are out there but not a wide variety of them.
Oh, and BTW, I just got an IWB N-Frame holster from Lobo. I have carried several of my N-Frames in it. I am also a PI, and just the other day I was out conducting surveillance and I carried the aforementioned M57. :D It was of course ALWAYS concealed. Kind of cool to be able to carry the big ones once in a while.
Jim
 
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