the right to keep and bear (carry) arms

[ChattanoogaPhil]

My view...

My right to keep and bear arms does not originate in the 2A. This right existed well before the US Constitution existed. The 2A serves to forbid government from infringing upon the exercizing of this right, but right to keep and bear arms does not come from government.

I like the way AWR Hawkins says it.

We don’t have the right to keep and bear arms because the Bill of Rights says so; rather, the Bill of Rights says so because the right to keep and bear arms is intrinsic to our very being: it is a right with which we were endowed by our Creator.

 

[shocker]

So which rights enumerated in the first ten amendments have been held by the courts to be unlimited?

 

[Kadonny]

My view...

My right to keep and bear arms does not originate in the 2A. This right existed well before the US Constitution existed. The 2A serves to forbid government from infringing upon the exercizing of this right, but right to keep and bear arms does not come from government.

I like the way AWR Hawkins says it.

We don’t have the right to keep and bear arms because the Bill of Rights says so; rather, the Bill of Rights says so because the right to keep and bear arms is intrinsic to our very being: it is a right with which we were endowed by our Creator.

Agree fully, but the anti-gun politicians want you to believe the right is given by the government......that way they can take it away.

 

[OKFC05]

As a practical matter, with Hillary making a couple of SCOTUS appointments, the 2A will mean whatever the SCOTUS says it means, and what you and I and 100 million other people think will count for squat. Anyone who thinks the best educated, most liberty loving country in the world cannot be turned into a slave state in a generation or less needs to read history.
Hitler was ELECTED to SAVE the country from its economic troubles and GIVE everybody prosperity. How did that work out?

 

[serger]

Here's what the clowns don't understand. Just because you pass a law, doesn't mean we'll comply with it.

Examples include but are not limited to:
1. Colorado magazine ban
2. Post Sandy Hook Connecticut magazine and rifle ban
3. New York's Safe Act.

In Colorado the Sheriffs told the State to go pound sand.

In Connecticut the majority of the rifle and magazine owners in question told the state, "If you feel froggy then jump."

In New York, Albany got told, "fuggedaboutit."

You can only push an unpopular agenda so far before you get push back.

 

[AlHunt]

The text of 2A says right in it that it's a pre-existing right:
" ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms ..."

2A doesn't grant the right, it acknowledges it.

 

[poordevil]

As a practical matter, with Hillary making a couple of SCOTUS appointments, the 2A will mean whatever the SCOTUS says it means, and what you and I and 100 million other people think will count for squat. Anyone who thinks the best educated, most liberty loving country in the world cannot be turned into a slave state in a generation or less needs to read history.
Hitler was ELECTED to SAVE the country from its economic troubles and GIVE everybody prosperity. How did that work out?

The 2nd A means what it means, regardless what anyone thinks they can cause it to mean. When tyrants create a meaning for a thing, contrary to the true and real and excepted meaning, then they are out of touch, not us. You only become a slave if you allow it! Hide your gun, fight with them or save them for a rainy day....but never surrender them!!

 

[ladder13]

As a practical matter, with Hillary making a couple of SCOTUS appointments, the 2A will mean whatever the SCOTUS says it means, and what you and I and 100 million other people think will count for squat. Anyone who thinks the best educated, most liberty loving country in the world cannot be turned into a slave state in a generation or less needs to read history.
Hitler was ELECTED to SAVE the country from its economic troubles and GIVE everybody prosperity. How did that work out?

Besides the fact that I believe the 2A means exactly what it says, I agree with the rest of your post. They will do what they will, if we let them. Will we?

 

[loknload]

ladder13,,,Besides the fact that I believe the 2A means exactly what it says, I agree with the rest of your post. They will do what they will, if we let them. Will we?_______

I don't think they'll take it all the way, I think they realize that if they push to far they just might start the next civil war. They don't really know what's out there.
I don't think they are that stupid?
Just my thoughts?

 

[Flattop5]

As a practical matter, with Hillary making a couple of SCOTUS appointments, the 2A will mean whatever the SCOTUS says it means, and what you and I and 100 million other people think will count for squat. Anyone who thinks the best educated, most liberty loving country in the world cannot be turned into a slave state in a generation or less needs to read history.
Hitler was ELECTED to SAVE the country from its economic troubles and GIVE everybody prosperity. How did that work out?

Actually, Hitler wasn't elected. He was appointed chancellor by Paul Hindenburg. Entire books could be written about Hitler's relationship with the German people. He was a good peacetime leader economically, but he really over-reached, especially after 1938. It went to his head. Power corrupts.

But anyhow, getting to the nugget of the OP, yes, I agree that gun ownership is a natural right. But how many idiot leftists are gonna believe that? Very few.


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[keith44spl]

My view...

our very being: it is a right with which we were endowed by our Creator.

That's the one I'm clingin to......



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[redlevel]

So which rights enumerated in the first ten amendments have been held by the courts to be unlimited?

None have been held by the courts to be unlimited.

I believe the God-given rights enumerated in that document
are indeed unlimited. However, we have entered into a
Lockean Social Contract, agreeing to give up some of those
rights so that government might provide protection of our
liberty and property. According to that Lockean Contract,
when government abuses that trust we placed in them, we
have not only the right, but the duty to overthrow that
government.

Me and Thomas Jefferson are great admirers of John Locke.

 

[DBenn]

If Florida has the right to CCW why didn't someone stop this last shooting before he got this far?

Being from Canada I can't understand why these guys get away with shooting so many and everyone seems to wait for the police to show up.

 

[oldiegoldie]

If Florida has the right to CCW why didn't someone stop this last shooting before he got this far?

Being from Canada I can't understand why these guys get away with shooting so many and everyone seems to wait for the police to show up.

I think it is illegal to carry in a bar where alcohol is served. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[STCM(SW)]

If three guys on a train can take down a terrorist with a AK and other guns why can't 300 people take down one terrorist in a bar.....

 

[rwsmith]

Similar thought...

People point to the establishment of a well regulated militia as saying that everybody doesn't have the right to bear arms except the militia.

But right after that is says that the rights of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The gun grabbers try to use the first thought to nullify the second.

At any time of need, individuals can become part of the militia. See 'Minutemen' for an example. They were farmers and homesteaders. They didn't need 'military' weapons. So, according to the grabbers, their guns should have been taken away and they could have taken to the field with hoes and pitchforks.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I think it is illegal to carry in a bar where alcohol is served. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It depends on the local laws. Some states allow it so long as the carrier isn't drinking. Some states prohibit it outright. Some states have a law that says if 51% or more of an establishment's revenues are generated by alcohol sales, carry is prohibited. There may be other variations that I'm not aware of. I know the law where I live, I'm less certain about other locations.

 

[ContinentalOp]

People point to the establishment of a well regulated militia as saying that everybody doesn't have the right to bear arms.

But right after that is says that the rights of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The gun grabbers try to use the first thought to nullify the second.

A lot of people don't understand what "well-regulated milita" means.

 

[rwsmith]

It seems that a lot of people don't....

That's the one I'm clingin to......



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To them our 'creator' is the government. (Lack of capital 'C' is intentional)

 

[alwslate]

I have to agree with the OP 100%. Self preservation is instinctive
from birth as well as the drive to protect one's family members. I
watch a lot of the nature oriented shows on AP and Net GEO wild.
Some brutal, difficult to watch battles occur where the outcome is
life or death, period. NO ONE, regardless of their role in society has
the right to tell you that you don't have the right to defend yourself
from attack by predators. Humans survive due to technology, including
weapons. If we had to depend on our teeth and fingernails we would
be extinct by now. Just like the other animal species on this planet
we have the right to use our best weapons to insure survival.