The story of the Highway Patrolman revolver...

Very interesting, John, thanks for sharing.
I have two M28-2s. One an S serial number and the other an N. Both 4". The N one was the carry gun of a small town Iowa Police Chief. It has a serrated rear sight leaf. I know that wasn't standard. Could it have been factory installed?
Jim
 
Very interesting, John, thanks for sharing.
I have two M28-2s. One an S serial number and the other an N. Both 4". The N one was the carry gun of a small town Iowa Police Chief. It has a serrated rear sight leaf. I know that wasn't standard. Could it have been factory installed?
Jim

One of the cost-saving measures effected on the Highway Patrolman was the non-serrated tang/leaf on the rear sight, and that was certainly standard on this gun. The only variances I know of were cited in the OP.

My best guess is this would probably be a user-installed sight, as there was never an "official" option other than choice of stocks and barrel length. I myself have installed a white-outline rear sight on one of my revolvers, just because I liked the contrast this type of sight gives for quick shooting. I've also installed red-insert front sights on all my mountain guns, again for contrast with the target. Someone in the future will wonder about that, but I'll be dead and gone, and won't really care.

But as I often say, never say never with S&W. There's the off chance that someone knew someone at the factory, and this could have been done there. Special orders were not common on this utilitarian revolver. A factory letter might tell you, but I'm not even sure it would be mentioned unless the gun went directly to a specific individual. Bottom line is that I doubt its originality on the gun.

John
 
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Highway patrolman

Thanks for the history lesson.
As a kid I liked the Smith & Wesson .357 my dad's friend had.
I always wanted one.
Thru the years I kept looking for an older Highway Patrolman. A few years ago I found one, made in 1961. I always wondered if the grips were factory. I now believe they might be the optional target grips you mentioned.
The revolver had a scope mounted on it, so I kept it on. You are right about the .357 at 100 yd shots, with the scope, I can group 6 shots in about a 4" group.( I did miss a few ground hogs at that distance ) image.jpg
 
Not sure where the other pics went

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Thanks for the history lesson.
As a kid I liked the Smith & Wesson .357 my dad's friend had.
I always wanted one.
Thru the years I kept looking for an older Highway Patrolman. A few years ago I found one, made in 1961. I always wondered if the grips were factory. I now believe they might be the optional target grips you mentioned.
The revolver had a scope mounted on it, so I kept it on. You are right about the .357 at 100 yd shots, with the scope, I can group 6 shots in about a 4" group.( I did miss a few ground hogs at that distance ) View attachment 193214

Those are not factory target stocks. Check the original post for a picture of factory stocks. Earlier ones were walnut with diamond-pattern checkering. Later ones, such as the the ones illustrated in my post, were made of Goncalo Alves wood, and the checkering omitted the diamond center. Later ones also had the "football"-shaped scooped-out section in the upper part of the left stock.

John

PS - check inside the crane recess in the frame for the model number. If you have a 28-1, you would have an extremely valuable gun. Few were made, mostly in 1960, but possibly some in 1961. The 28-2 came on stream sometime in 1961, and it is relatively common.
 
Great article, and I don't want to nitpick either, BUT the numbers on the first year guns appear to be off. S115,927 should have been the last gun per this article, but I own S116,709 (pictured), which shipped 9/54 per Roy.

As others have stated, you can not just add the number produced to the starting serial number to arrive at the year end serial number. There were other models numbered within this series.

The other factor to consider is "what is a first year gun?" Since production for most S&W's does not start on 1/1/XXXX, technically and according to Roy Jinks, if a gun was first produced on 4/15/1954, then a first year gun would be any gun made until 4/14/1955.

I know this because I own one, S129,113 that was produced in early April 1955 and is considered a first year gun. :D
 
On April 15, 1954, the first production guns came off the assembly line, with the initial serial number being S107,500.

Great article. My only comment is that I think you are a bit off with the initial serial number. I have S106374 which left the factory in May 1954. I always thought the first Highway Patrolman was S103500.

Here is the thread for my gun.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/379044-cant-too-many-nicer-highway-patrolman-pic-heavy.html
 
Great article. My only comment is that I think you are a bit off with the initial serial number. I have S106374 which left the factory in May 1954. I always thought the first Highway Patrolman was S103500.

Here is the thread for my gun.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/379044-cant-too-many-nicer-highway-patrolman-pic-heavy.html

Once again, I need to point out that guns were not usually completed or shipped in serial number order. Serialed frames went into bins, and were pulled out for completion and then shipment quite randomly. Also, all N-frame serial numbers were intermixed. Production batches commonly ran from 50 to 300; quite possibly more. It's not unusual to find an earlier serialed gun shipped later than one numbered higher. Never confuse serial numbers with shipping order at S&W. I made an earlier post in this thread about that, and cited a couple of examples of this that I personally own. You have a nice early Highway Patrolman, but the serial number is largely immaterial to when it was shipped. See posts 30 and 40 in this thread.

The serial number S107,500 comes from Roy Jinks in his book The History of Smith & Wesson as being the first production gun. Roy has to be the final authority on that, citing April 15, 1954 as the completion of the first run of production guns.

John
 
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Last year, I picked up a heavily used 28-2, and it has become a favorite. I occasionally shoot IDPA, just for fun. 125 grain full house magnums in the old blue warrior will get the gamers' attention every single time!
 
Once again, I need to point out that guns were not usually completed or shipped in serial number order. Serialed frames went into bins, and were pulled out for completion and then shipment quite randomly. Also, all N-frame serial numbers were intermixed. Production batches commonly ran from 50 to 300; quite possibly more. It's not unusual to find an earlier serialed gun shipped later than one numbered higher. Never confuse serial numbers with shipping order at S&W. I made an earlier post in this thread about that, and cited a couple of examples of this that I personally own. You have a nice early Highway Patrolman, but the serial number is largely immaterial to when it was shipped. See posts 30 and 40 in this thread.

The serial number S107,500 comes from Roy Jinks in his book The History of Smith & Wesson as being the first production gun. Roy has to be the final authority on that, citing April 15, 1954 as the completion of the first run of production guns.

John


I apologize John that I was not clear with my comment. I totally agree with you about the ship date / serial number issue. I just assumed that guns came off the line in order. I am right with you that it is a mystery as to when each gun is shipped. Roy is the best resource for that information.

Just to be clear though. Are you saying that S107500 came off the production line before S103500? If that is the case, why is there more value placed on the earliest serial numbered examples of models. Would a collector value S107500 more than S103500?

I assumed there was a typo or transcription mistake (using a 7 instead of a 3), but if the guns were actually produced out of order, that would be interesting to me. I love to learn from the knowledge base on this forum. Thanks.
 
Just to be clear though. Are you saying that S107500 came off the production line before S103500? If that is the case, why is there more value placed on the earliest serial numbered examples of models. Would a collector value S107500 more than S103500?

That's exactly what I'm saying. And the fact that S107500 is documented as being the first production gun makes it infinitely more valuable than any other gun that has a lower serial number.

Lower numbers usually mean higher values, but I think that's based almost entirely on the erroneous belief that at S&W, the guns came off the line in serial number order. The ONLY way to know when the gun was shipped would be to get a factory letter from Roy.

The FIFO (First In First Out) system, it seems, was NOT followed by a huge number of firearms firms, and often, serial numbers are only a general guide to the approximate time frame when a gun was made. Experts will often say "This change took place over an extended period, between approximately serial numbers xxxxx and xxxxx." Old parts were sometimes used well into newer production. Nailing down a definite shipping date, no matter who the manufacturer was, is often an exercise in frustration, with only approximations being possible in most cases. Using styles of parts to date a gun can be hard; I have a Winchester Model 62 pump action .22 that has a steel buttplate. At the time of its manufacture in 1946, the standard buttplates were plastic. Was it a later replacement? Nope. The steel buttplate was used after the war to clean up parts from discontinued guns; in this case the Model 55 lever action guns. You often have to dig deep to find these things out.

Often factory records are lost; sometimes the date of serialization was recorded (Winchester was good at this), but not the date of shipment (usually regarded as a gun's "birthdate"). Some manufacturers will stamp a code on a gun (Remington was good about this) that can be translated to a month and year (or just year). Unfortunately, that can sometimes only be interpreted as the date the component was made. Winchester barrels were often stamped with the last two digits of the year on the barrel, but the barrel may not have been assembled to the gun until the following year or even later. Remington stamped month-year codes on barrels, but if the barrel was detachable (think Remington 870 or Nylon 66), it could have been switched later or not used on a gun until a later date.

Such things make for collector headaches, and it's good to know the game rules for each manufacturer.

John
 
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The serial number S107,500 comes from Roy Jinks in his book The History of Smith & Wesson as being the first production gun. Roy has to be the final authority on that, citing April 15, 1954 as the completion of the first run of production guns.

Unfortunately, this is one reason that we get confused because we sometimes confuse each other.

If you re check on page 216 of the History of Smith and Wesson by Roy Jinks, you will find that he states that the first gun produced was serial number S103,500 and NOT serial number S107,500.
 
Unfortunately, this is one reason that we get confused because we sometimes confuse each other.

If you re check on page 216 of the History of Smith and Wesson by Roy Jinks, you will find that he states that the first gun produced was serial number S103,500 and NOT serial number S107,500.

My copy (1977 edition) specifically says 107,500, and that's what I used in the article. If you have a later edition that says otherwise, we'd probably have to go with that as a later correction. Roy has made occasional typographical errors in his writings. I'll change the OP. What's the date on your copy of the book?

John
 
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My copy (1977 edition) specifically says 107,500, and that's what I used in the article. If you have a later edition that says otherwise, we'd probably have to go with that as a later correction. Roy has made occasional typographical errors in his writings. I'll change the OP. What's the date on your copy of the book?

John
Hi John:
My copy says "Ninth Printing, June, 1988"

As was mentioned, it has the lower number on page 216. Here is the complete sentence:
"The first production revolvers completed were on April 15, 1954, beginning at serial number S103,500."
 
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