Things to Do AFTER a Shooting

[Maximum1]

Things to Do AFTER a Shooting
After a Shooting...advice from Massid Ayoob. For those who conceal carry you need to have a plan "if" you're ever involved in a shooting. Mr. Ayoob's "five things" goes a long way in preparing you.

Five Things to Do After a Shooting:
1. Point out the Perpetuator to Police
2. Tell Police you will Sign the Complain
3. Point out the Evidence to Police
4. Point out the Witnesses to Police
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney

Remember Mr. Ayoob's other advice: CALL THE POLICE! As Mr. Ayoob pointed out the first to call gets good standing...It shows you have NOTHING TO HIDE. I would add while you have 911 on the line describe yourself to the dispatcher (I'm a white man 5'10 wearing a green jacket, blues jeans, etc)... So when the Police arrive they know how to identify you.

Also VERY IMPRTANT is to ask the dispatcher to send medical help THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE apathy for the perpetrator it shows you aren't a CRAZED GUN NUT... <= this will be VERY HELPFUL when the DA reviews your case!

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[Maximum1]

Things to Do AFTER a Shooting
After a Shooting...advice from Massid Ayoob. For those who conceal carry you need to have a plan "if" you're ever involved in a shooting. Mr. Ayoob's "five things" goes a long way in preparing you.

Five Things to Do After a Shooting:
1. Point out the Perpetuator to Police
2. Tell Police you will Sign the Complain
3. Point out the Evidence to Police
4. Point out the Witnesses to Police
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney

Remember Mr. Ayoob's other advice: CALL THE POLICE! As Mr. Ayoob pointed out the first to call gets good standing...It shows you have NOTHING TO HIDE. I would add while you have 911 on the line describe yourself to the dispatcher (I'm a white man 5'10 wearing a green jacket, blues jeans, etc)... So when the Police arrive they know how to identify you.

Also VERY IMPRTANT is to ask the dispatcher to send medical help THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE apathy for the perpetrator it shows you aren't a CRAZED GUN NUT... <= this will be VERY HELPFUL when the DA reviews your case!

http://link.brightcove.com/ser...132&bctid=1394648212


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[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Y'all check out that link. There are a LOT of videos there.

 

[GLV]

And once again--keep thou mouth shut

 

[Maximum1]

Originally posted by GLV:
And once again--keep thou mouth shut

ONLY...AFTER you....

Do these Five Things...
1. Point out the Perpetuator to Police
2. Tell Police you will Sign the Complain
3. Point out the Evidence to Police
4. Point out the Witnesses to Police
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Here is what this old retired cop recommends:

Following the initial "I was in fear for my life and I was forced to defend myself, I need to speak with a lawyer", SHUT UP and LAWYER UP. Let the pit bull in the good suit do ALL OF YOUR TALKING FOR YOU.

DO NOT discuss the incident with ANYONE, not your family, not your friends, not your golf buddies, NO ONE AT ALL.

Many homeowners insurance policies provide liability insurance for acts of the insured, on or off the property. If this is the case for you, the insurance company has an interest in defending you and may provide legal counsel (at least for any civil proceedings/lawsuits). In today's America, that is very likely to take place (Bad Guy's wife, girlfriend, kids, brothers, sisters, mother, father, and others are likely to find that they simply cannot survive their loss without a large sum of money to help them through their grief).

Different jurisdictions may follow different procedures. There may be a grand jury hearing. There may be a coroner's inquest. If called upon to testify, follow your attorney's advice to the letter.

The legal processes will take time, certainly several months and perhaps several years (in the event of civil actions). Even after that is over and done with, you will deal with that event for the rest of your life. Do not ignore your health, seek help before post-traumatic stress starts to mess up your life and relationships.

 

[safearm]

+1 on Lobo.
If item #1 is call the police, item #2 is call your attorney (if you carry a gun, you should have the number of a criminal defense attorney programmed into your cell phone).
When the cops ask you what happened, tell them politely that you will give them a statement after you have the opportunity to speak with your attorney. They're not going to like that and may even say, "What do you have to hide?" Again, be polite but firm, and wait for your attorney.

 

[greengael]

Re Liability insurance. These policies typically cover what are known as "negligent acts" and specifically exclude "intentional acts", so if you intentionally shoot the Perp. don't look to your insurance carrier to make you whole. On the other hand if you accidentally blow away a gang of terrorists while cleaning your keltecp32, you may be covered{smile}

Originally posted by LoboGunLeather:
Here is what this old retired cop recommends:

Following the initial "I was in fear for my life and I was forced to defend myself, I need to speak with a lawyer", SHUT UP and LAWYER UP. Let the pit bull in the good suit do ALL OF YOUR TALKING FOR YOU.

DO NOT discuss the incident with ANYONE, not your family, not your friends, not your golf buddies, NO ONE AT ALL.

Many homeowners insurance policies provide liability insurance for acts of the insured, on or off the property. If this is the case for you, the insurance company has an interest in defending you and may provide legal counsel (at least for any civil proceedings/lawsuits). In today's America, that is very likely to take place (Bad Guy's wife, girlfriend, kids, brothers, sisters, mother, father, and others are likely to find that they simply cannot survive their loss without a large sum of money to help them through their grief).

Different jurisdictions may follow different procedures. There may be a grand jury hearing. There may be a coroner's inquest. If called upon to testify, follow your attorney's advice to the letter.

The legal processes will take time, certainly several months and perhaps several years (in the event of civil actions). Even after that is over and done with, you will deal with that event for the rest of your life. Do not ignore your health, seek help before post-traumatic stress starts to mess up your life and relationships.

 

[straightshooter1]

We've been through this several times, but I still believe you are better off doing those things on the list.

I WANT to make sure Officer Friendly talks to the witnesses (LEOs and Prosecutors are only too familiar with the vanishing witness syndrome, and I don't want the one who may save my hide, legally, to disappear before the cops talk to him/her).

I also WANT Officer Friendly to see the evidence that backs my story up and not overlook it because no one pointed it out to the officer.

I am not going to trust anyone else to figure it out-I am going to make sure the evidence and witnesses are clearly brought to the Officer's attention.

Bob

 

[J274895]

Gentlemen,

This is a long watch- about 45 minutes to watch both videos, but the information contained in them may just well save your ass someday. An attorney AND a cop both make a presentation to a law class about why you should NEVER speak to the police without first speaking to an attorney. Here is the link:

http://boingboing.net/2008/07/...rof-and-cop-agr.html

The thing the attorney said that stuck me the absolute most was, anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law, but NOTHING you say will necessarily be used to HELP you in a court of law.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER speak to the police without speaking to an attorney FIRST!

 

[Massad Ayoob]

As I recall, the law professor's examples are virtually all guilty clients who incriminated themselves. The real lesson: if you've committed a crime, maybe you shouldn't speak to the police.

He gives the one example of the mentally ill gentleman who claims that police talked him into giving a false confession to smoke out the real culprit. The lesson there? If you are mentally ill and easily manipulated, perhaps you shouldn't talk to the police.

In the video with the cop turned lawyer, as I recall, a student asks if a suspect ever told him something that made him eliminate that person as a suspect, and the detective admits that it did happen on occasion.

Taking advice intended for guilty men may lead to a guilty man's verdict. Earlier this month, I spoke for a man who should have known better who left a shooting scene without calling in. He wound up on trial for first degree assault. We won an acquittal, but only after an ordeal that lasted more than two years. His failure to call in, by the way, was a cornerstone of the prosecution, on the theory that it constituted "consciousness of guilt."

 

[RDak]

Originally posted by Massad Ayoob:
As I recall, the law professor's examples are virtually all guilty clients who incriminated themselves. The real lesson: if you've committed a crime, maybe you shouldn't speak to the police.

He gives the one example of the mentally ill gentleman who claims that police talked him into giving a false confession to smoke out the real culprit. The lesson there? If you are mentally ill and easily manipulated, perhaps you shouldn't talk to the police.

In the video with the cop turned lawyer, as I recall, a student asks if a suspect ever told him something that made him eliminate that person as a suspect, and the detective admits that it did happen on occasion.

Taking advice intended for guilty men may lead to a guilty man's verdict. Earlier this month, I spoke for a man who should have known better who left a shooting scene without calling in. He wound up on trial for first degree assault. We won an acquittal, but only after an ordeal that lasted more than two years. His failure to call in, by the way, was a cornerstone of the prosecution, on the theory that it constituted "consciousness of guilt."

Thank you!! I always suspected those guys were all GUILTY to begin with.

I mean, why couldn't I merely say - "I was in fear for my life because...... (state whatever the major factor was)? (And just leave it at that. Maybe also say, "officer I'm really scared and nervous right now but the major factor is what I can say for sure?" You get what I mean. Would that be ok?)

Thanks again for the info!!

 

[BarbC]

Taking advice intended for guilty men may lead to a guilty man's verdict.

Words to live by.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Ironbar: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER speak to the police without speaking to an attorney FIRST!

You must have one very, very GUILTY conscience or you're Shilling for an Attorney or one of those prepaid Legal Service Outfits!!!

And, by the way, you have set a new record for managing to get onto my "Ignore List" with the lowest Post count so far!!!

 

[straightshooter1]

Look at the video and see who the audience is-law students.

Look who the detective is-a third year law student.

This advice may be great fodder for the classroom, but in real life, this law school prof ain't gonna be there and I sure want to make sure the cops don't overlook evidence or witnesses.

And, BTW, whether it's my right or not, I don't want to tick off anyone investigating the shooting. I want them to know I am law-abiding, was the victim, and that I want to cooperate, but want to calm down first and talk to my lawyer.

Now, if this happened locally, and I knew the detectives (having worked with them as a prosecutor for years) I might feel comfortable talking to them, but only after I have gotten my head straight. But, it would depend on the facts, who the detectives were, whether there were witnesses and, perhaps, other factors.

In general, the list posted by the OP is the way to go IMO.

Bob

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Originally posted by Maximum1:

Also VERY IMPRTANT is to ask the dispatcher to send medical help THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE <span class="ev_code_BLACK"> apathy[/i</span>for the perpetrator it shows you aren't a CRAZED GUN NUT... <= this will be VERY HELPFUL when the DA reviews your case!

I think the word you are looking for is empathy(to feel sorry for someone), versus apathy (a lack of care or concern.

Regards,

Dave

 

[John R]

Things to Do AFTER a Shooting

Check yourself for leaks!!

 

[FullMonte]

I live in Fla, and my CCL instructor told us the 'castle doctrine' thing means I cannot be arrested or detained in the event of a self defense shooting.

Did i get a quack or what?

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by FullMonte:
I live in Fla, and my CCL instructor told us the 'castle doctrine' thing means I cannot be arrested or detained in the event of a self defense shooting.

Did i get a quack or what?

I daresay you got a quack. I can almost guarantee you'll be (at least) "detained" at the scene of just about any shooting if you're not a LEO. The official determination of a "self defense" shooting will very, very, very rarely (never?) be made at the scene.

Be safe.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Originally posted by Massad Ayoob:
As I recall, the law professor's examples are virtually all guilty clients who incriminated themselves. The real lesson: if you've committed a crime, maybe you shouldn't speak to the police.

He gives the one example of the mentally ill gentleman who claims that police talked him into giving a false confession to smoke out the real culprit. The lesson there? If you are mentally ill and easily manipulated, perhaps you shouldn't talk to the police.

In the video with the cop turned lawyer, as I recall, a student asks if a suspect ever told him something that made him eliminate that person as a suspect, and the detective admits that it did happen on occasion.

Taking advice intended for guilty men may lead to a guilty man's verdict. Earlier this month, I spoke for a man who should have known better who left a shooting scene without calling in. He wound up on trial for first degree assault. We won an acquittal, but only after an ordeal that lasted more than two years. His failure to call in, by the way, was a cornerstone of the prosecution, on the theory that it constituted "consciousness of guilt."

Mr. Ayoob: Thank you for contributing. I have been reading your work for many years, and I can't think of anyone more qualified to speak on these issues.

Best regards, from a retired cop in Colorado.