thinking of going pistol for my next purchase m&p or walther p99...

[weider1717]

Wanted to stay with smith so was leaning towards m&p .40 cal..

then thought hey what about a walther p99 40 cal..well he said I have one used lemme get it out for ya..."ok" then he brings out a p99 that looks lame to what I remember them being just a couple years ago....it's not made in german anymore it had smith on the barrel...(not that thats bad ofcourse!) but if I want a german walther and pay around 650ish for it dangit I want it to be all german made by walther..

don't think u can get this anymore..they also sold a smith and wesson imitation of it....however the one I looked at is called the wather p99 it wasn't the smiths version however it STILL had smith on the barrel. They said smith makes the barrels now.

it also lacked the eagle over the owl symbol on the barrel now.

was undecided so didn;t buy either..will prob go with the m&p tho.

anyone have either of these guns?

 

[weider1717]

Wanted to stay with smith so was leaning towards m&p .40 cal..

then thought hey what about a walther p99 40 cal..well he said I have one used lemme get it out for ya..."ok" then he brings out a p99 that looks lame to what I remember them being just a couple years ago....it's not made in german anymore it had smith on the barrel...(not that thats bad ofcourse!) but if I want a german walther and pay around 650ish for it dangit I want it to be all german made by walther..

don't think u can get this anymore..they also sold a smith and wesson imitation of it....however the one I looked at is called the wather p99 it wasn't the smiths version however it STILL had smith on the barrel. They said smith makes the barrels now.

it also lacked the eagle over the owl symbol on the barrel now.

was undecided so didn;t buy either..will prob go with the m&p tho.

anyone have either of these guns?

 

[weider1717]

thanks for putting it in this section. I was just typing a note to tell mods if they see it to please put it here. thanks! I'm just so used to posting in the revolver section I didn't think about it haha.

 

[8th SPS USAF]

As a guy who owned 3 P99 and 6 MPs, I think
you could not do better than MP 40 FS. Shoots
great, 3 BS of different sizes. Trigger gets
better the more you shoot it.Points great.
Good luck

 

[weider1717]

thanks.


I was also confused on the AS, DAO, AND QA triggers on the

I understand Dual action only...don't want that.

I understand the difference from the as and qa...but confused on which I would perfer the QA or the AS because he didn't have both and I can't exactly try either out at a place where I buy it so thats another reason I didn't jump and buy something on the spot.

 

[Cruiser RN]

One of my friends is a FFL and he gave me the chance to shoot the M+P 40 out of the box.Must say it is balls on dead center accurate and I am not a fan of polymer frame semi autos.From this experience I say go with the M+P.....God Bless.....Mike

 

[STR]

If you want a .40 I`d get the M&P. The P99 in 9mm is one of my favorite 9mm`s but in .40 the one I owned had some functioning problems (FTF) and was not as easily controlled causing me to sell it and buy my first M&P, (with a few others purchased since).

 

[CG2]

I have the smith version in 9mm (sw99) and I love it. Never had a single problem. The AS version of the p99 gives you the option of shooting it SA or DA. Which I personaly like. It has the decocker on the slide. I have never shot the m&p so I'm partial to the walther.

 

[sheriff51]

I have a SW-99 .40 that I carried as a duty weapon and a M&P45 that I carry a lot of the time now. You can't go wrong with either one. Both are great shooters and I never had a misfire from either one. I've shot a lot of different factory loads and reloads (some of questionable quality) in the 99 and no problems at all.

 

[weider1717]

i've decided on the p99 in a 9mm...

I'm going with the walther p99 instead of the sw99 by smith.

what I don't know is whether or not I want the AS or the QA trigger system..anyone got advice on this?

thanks!

 

[CG2]

AS for sure

 

[James NM]

Originally posted by weider1717:
...what I don't know is whether or not I want the AS or the QA trigger system..anyone got advice on this?

thanks!

The AS is basically a DA/SA that is striker fired (so it doesn't have an external hammer), and has a push button decocker on the top of the slide. The QA trigger is similar to a M&P or Glock.

So if you like a traditional double action semi, go with the AS. If you like the DAO type trigger of the Glock, go with the QA.

 

[weider1717]

never owned a semi auto lol

 

[PX15]

JMOfartO:

"AS" (Anti-Stress) for sure.

Fantastic weapon.. My P99/AS is my "bump in the night, give me time to get to the 12ga. pistol"..

Jesse

 

[weider1717]

px15 is that gun yours in the pic? is it a first or 2nd generation? 2nd right?

also what year range had that AG and eagle over the N on the midrange of the rail with that wing looking thing? the new ones don't have that..the model in the pic has more parts built in germany and thats the model/year range I want.

is yours a 9mm or a .40?

why do you like the AS over the QA?

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by weider1717:
px15 is that gun yours in the pic? is it a first or 2nd generation? 2nd right?

also what year range had that AG and eagle over the N on the midrange of the rail with that wing looking thing? the new ones don't have that..the model in the pic has more parts built in germany and thats the model/year range I want.

is yours a 9mm or a .40?

why do you like the AS over the QA?

weider:

If you will "google" Walther P99 FAQ you will find all information you ever wanted about the Walther P99 pistol. (http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/index.html)

As to your questions. Yes this is my P99AS in the photo. I've had it for a couple of years, and it's become my "home defense pistol".. I chose the P99 in the "AS" mode because I'm a traditional DA/SA fan, and that's basically what with Anti Stress trigger/striker is.. If you will monitor the Walther forum (www.Waltherforums.com) you will find the vast majority of owners prefer this model also. ([email protected]/[email protected]). The other options are the "QA" (Glocklike) and DAO.

The AG is the year of manufacture (2006) and is explained on the FAQ page.. Let me know if you still need any clarification and I'll be glad to do my best. The P99's were changed from first generation to 2nd generation in 2004. I don't "THINK" there have been any subsequent changes in the P99 since 2004. (Easy way for me to distinguish between the two series is the 1st series P99's had the "hump" in the bottom of the trigger guard.)

My P99/AS is 9mm.. I do not care for the 40cal round, but that's just personal preference. I use Double Tap 115 jhp's in all my 9mm pistols and I'm convinced those rounds will solve any problems I might run into.. Heck if 15+1 (or 16+1 w/SW99 mags) won't do it, neither would a 40cal.

Additionally the P99 (as I understand it) was designed around the 9mm round (as with most German firearms) and my P99/AS has been 100% reliable and extremely accurate.

Hope this helps,

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[James NM]

Originally posted by PX15:
...I don't "THINK" there have been any subsequent changes in the P99 since 3004...

The latest model P99's also have the extended mag release levers.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by James NM:

Originally posted by PX15:
...I don't "THINK" there have been any subsequent changes in the P99 since 3004...

The latest model P99's also have the extended mag release levers.

James:

My P99 has the extended mag release levers..

Jesse

 

[James NM]

Originally posted by PX15:

James:

My P99 has the extended mag release levers...

Yes, sorry, your AG (2006) date code has the extended mag release levers. What I was trying to say was in reference to the 1st to 2nd generation you mentioned as happening in 2004. The 2004 (date code AE) is a 2nd generation, but has the short mag release levers. The later model P99's, such as yours, have the long mag release levers. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by James NM:

Originally posted by PX15:

James:

My P99 has the extended mag release levers...

Yes, sorry, your AG (2006) date code has the extended mag release levers. What I was trying to say was in reference to the 1st to 2nd generation you mentioned as happening in 2004. The 2004 (date code AE) is a 2nd generation, but has the short mag release levers. The later model P99's, such as yours, have the long mag release levers. Sorry for the confusion.

James,
No problem, it's a confusing detail.. I have held a P99 with the short mag release levers, and I greatly prefer the ones on my P99..

As an aside, I also have a PPS, and for some reason I'm not quite as pleased with those mag releases as the ones on my P99.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[James NM]

Originally posted by PX15:
...I have held a P99 with the short mag release levers, and I greatly prefer the ones on my P99..

I guess it's what you get used to. I have 4 P99/SW99's, and all have the short mag release. I've held the long mag release guns, but I prefer the short ones.

The long release made me paranoid about inadverently dropping the mag. Well, like I said, what you get used to.

 

[weider1717]

ok...i bought one!

Bought a p99 .40 cal....walther

question tho mine doestion have that wing? looking symbol thats out to the side of the AG thats on your gun...what is that??

also my eagle over the N is towards the rear of the slide instead of being where yours is and having that wing symbol beside it.

is this because mine is a .40 cal and yours is a 9mm or what?

let me know px15..thanks!

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by weider1717:
ok...i bought one!

Bought a p99 .40 cal....walther

question tho mine doestion have that wing? looking symbol thats out to the side of the AG thats on your gun...what is that??

weider1717:

When you have the chance go to the Walther FAQ website. That place will answer all your questions much better than I can.

But for the moment, the "wing thing" I believe is the proofmark of the house of ULM/DO and represents a "Staghorn", not a wing..

The Eagle over "N" proofmark simply verifies that the pistol was tested with a "proof load".

Hope this helps. Enjoy!

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[weider1717]

ok i visited that site..

still not sure why my gun doesn't have that staghorn symbol??

 

[Fastbolt]

Handle, examine and try both on a rental range if at all possible.

I own a couple of the SW99's, both in traditional double action, one in .40 S&W and one in 9mm. I carried a SW99 standard model chambered in .40 S&W as an issued weapon for a few years.

I've been to some SW99/P99 armorer classes and the M&P Pistol armorer class. I've repaired both the SW99 and the P99 as an armorer. Haven't had to repair a M&P, yet, but I like a lot about it from an armorer's perspective. Just an opinion.

Both are good designs. Quite a number of differences, though.

Personally, I've always like a well made traditional double action trigger - which some folks like to refer to as DA/SA and Walther refers to as Anti-Stress nowadays. The P99 (and SW99 which uses the same Walther sear housing block & striker assembly) arguably has a very good example of one. I actually find it easier to shoot my SW99 compact with greater practical accuracy, over longer ranges, than my favored 3913 or my G26. Never expected that.

On the other hand, it didn't take me long to become comfortable and proficient with the M&P's trigger. It helped that the M&P 45 I own has exhibited very good inherent accuracy, despite the heavy trigger. The excellent ergonomics, accuracy and predictable trigger more than make up for the heaviness of the trigger ... in my opinion, which is subjective.

Parts for the 99 series can sometimes be a bit difficult to obtain. Sometimes they're on back order from Walther. Been three on more than a couple of occasions.

The Walther warranty was just 1-year last time I checked (even though S&W warranties their licensed SW99/990L versions, including the Walther parts, under their excellent lifetime warranty).

The M&P warranty ... including S&W's custom of paying for shipping & insurance both ways should the gun ever require repair ... might be attractive to some customers.

Folks who buy Walther P99's often express an affinity for "owning a Walther". That's fine. Cool. Lots of folks buy and take pride in owning lots of things in much the same manner. People only have to justify their purchases to themselves (and their spouses

), after all.

I won't be getting rid of my 99 series pistols any time soon. Good guns.

On the other hand, I won't be buying any more of them, either. I simply like the M&P more and more. I might buy another M&P sometime. A compact, perhaps, since I favor smaller off-duty weapons ... and anticipate continuing with that trend once I retire.

Both are very good designs.

Kind of like deciding between different motor vehicles, though. Everybody's got their own idea what suits them best. Which is as it should be.

Good luck to you.

Don't have 'the answer' for you, though.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by weider1717:
ok i visited that site..

still not sure why my gun doesn't have that staghorn symbol??

FWIW:

Try www.waltherforums.com.
It's a dedicated Walther forum, with a section specific to the P99.. Bet if you'll post your questions there you'll get an answer.

FWIW I have THREE HK P7's with NO proofhouse marks either.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by weider1717:
Wanted to stay with smith so was leaning towards m&p .40 cal..

then thought hey what about a walther p99 40 cal..well he said I have one used lemme get it out for ya..."ok" then he brings out a p99 that looks lame to what I remember them being just a couple years ago....it's not made in german anymore it had smith on the barrel...(not that thats bad ofcourse!) but if I want a german walther and pay around 650ish for it dangit I want it to be all german made by walther..

don't think u can get this anymore..they also sold a smith and wesson imitation of it....however the one I looked at is called the wather p99 it wasn't the smiths version however it STILL had smith on the barrel. They said smith makes the barrels now.

it also lacked the eagle over the owl symbol on the barrel now.

was undecided so didn;t buy either..will prob go with the m&p tho.

anyone have either of these guns?

The Walther P99 is all German. It is marked S&W on the slide not because S&W made it, but because S&W is the importer and is Walther's agent in the US. Your dealer might have shown you the SW99 instead of the Walther P99. SW99 has a frame made in Germany and only the upper is made by S&W.