Thoughts on Bore Sites?
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Arik
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Waste of time/money. You're assuming a Walmart like product was precisely machined to be centered in the bore and for the Lazer to be centered in the bore sighter.
Also you can't see the laser on a sunny day unless it 2ft in front of you
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Also you can't see the laser on a sunny day unless it 2ft in front of you
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Rpg
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Bore sites are only good as a very preliminary way of being sure the gun sites will get you on paper at very close distances.
They are sometimes marketed as training aides.
They aren't since they have you looking at the wrong thing.
remember: front sight, front sight. Look at the front sight, not the target.
They are sometimes marketed as training aides.
They aren't since they have you looking at the wrong thing.
remember: front sight, front sight. Look at the front sight, not the target.
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I've always used the redneck bore sight method. Remove the bolt, set up on a sandbag, look down the bore and then look at the sights/scope and adjust as needed. I've always been on the paper first shot and most of the time only needed minimal adjustments to be dead on.
hdwhit
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I have one for .223 Remington. Within the limt of what such a device can be expected to do, it has always worked well for me. I've seem Hollywood movies where some guy uses a laser sight to zero in a scoped rifle for a head-shot of several hundred meters and it's prefect the first time. If you're expecting that, you'll be disappointed. If you're expecting to be on an 8.5 by 11 piece of paper on the first round so that you can continue to make appropriate adjustments, that's possible.
I use it with a military-style sighting in target calibrated for 25 meters to obtain zero at 100 meters. I set it up in the longest hall in the house (45 feet) so I don't have any glare or sunlight issues, and adjust sights to line up with the laser dot. When I later get to the range, it is usually just a matter of making some small adjustments across three, four or five, five-round strings to get point of aim and point of impact to coincide.
In the end, I would say the laser saves me three or four five-round strings in getting a rifle sighted in and if you consider my reloads cost about 22 cents each, it saves $4 or $5 in ammunition costs per gun and so has pretty much paid for itself.
I agree that Ballistic147's bore-sight method is also effective, but there are guns (i.e. Ruger Mini-14, Marlin 60) you can't bore-sight.
sgtsandman
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I have no experience with the laser types. I've used the old school BSA model that works well enough to get the scope on paper but doesn't work well with high mounted scopes. For example. I have an M&P10 and a 7.62 MVP Patrol bolt rifle, both using the same scope and mount. I could bore sight the MVP but could not bore sight the M&P10.
For ARs, I've had to resort to the old method of starting at 25 yards to start the zero and move the target back every 25 yards until I get the range I need to zero the rifle. It takes more time and ammo but it works and I like shooting anyway.
For ARs, I've had to resort to the old method of starting at 25 yards to start the zero and move the target back every 25 yards until I get the range I need to zero the rifle. It takes more time and ammo but it works and I like shooting anyway.
bob richardson
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I have the Leupold one with the magnet that sticks on the end of the barrel.Sounds like **** right? I have used it on my hunting shotguns,handguns and up to my 50BMG and it gets you on paper right away.Properly measure scope to barrel distance and stick it on.Adjust your scope to the target in the boresighter and done.Works great!
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I use the Leupold as well; works most of the time. With a few rifles, it didn't get me on paper. With a bolt gun, you really don't need such a device. They're handiest with long guns like semi-autos, pumps and lever guns where you can't bore sight by looking down the bore.
vonn
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Have used all of the above methods to get on the paper and having looked up the trajectory I zero the rifle to achieve maximum dead hold on range that will still hit a deer sized target. Most rifles will hold dead on farther out than I want to shoot at game.
coltle6920
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It's not a waste of time/money for a boresight but it is a waste of money in the cost of ammo unless you're real lucky or get your ammo free.
I bought the "SiteLite" laser to sight in two Henry's and my AR15.I sighted all of them inside my house using a distance of 8yds for a 100yd zero.With only one minor adjustment at my range I was consistently hitting 5" steel at 100yds.If that's not good enough for hunting or self defense I don't know what would be.I don't shoot anywhere near as much as some members here so I'm not concerned with 2" groupings on paper.
The SiteLite laser comes in 3 models and each one can accommodate calibers from .22 to .50 and some shotguns.That alone should justify the money spent.
And that's my .02 cents for what it's worth.
I bought the "SiteLite" laser to sight in two Henry's and my AR15.I sighted all of them inside my house using a distance of 8yds for a 100yd zero.With only one minor adjustment at my range I was consistently hitting 5" steel at 100yds.If that's not good enough for hunting or self defense I don't know what would be.I don't shoot anywhere near as much as some members here so I'm not concerned with 2" groupings on paper.
The SiteLite laser comes in 3 models and each one can accommodate calibers from .22 to .50 and some shotguns.That alone should justify the money spent.
And that's my .02 cents for what it's worth.
If that's what you're looking for you won't be disappointed. Yes you have to wait until it gets to the twilight part of the day to get them to work. But depending on the scope setup you have they can be a godsend. Try setting up a 36X scope without some kind of help. It takes all day doing it the old fashioned way. Believe me I've done it. And you can't see down the bore of every rifle. That is different for rifles like an AR where you can see through the bore just fine. But I have rifles that there's no way to look through the bore. And one of them has a 36X scope on it.
Even for something as easy as a red dot sight a laser can get you going faster. The first thing I do is check the laser with the iron sights if the rifle I zeroing has them. If the bore sight is close to being right I turn on the laser and adjust my red dot until it lines up perfectly with the bore laser. You can't tell me that isn't faster than the old fashioned way.
Of course final adjustments have to be done by actual shooting. For that I want something I can see where my bullets are hitting as I shoot. I will be in the ball park already and I just walk the scope or red dot in to the POI.
I have a .223 bore sight almost identical the one you linked in the OP. It has saved me time the 2 or 3 times I've used it. It's not something that will get used a lot by most poeple. Other types of bore lasers don't work as well - not even close. This kind doesn't work nearly as well IMO.
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MichiganScott
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I take one shot at 25 yards. If I'm not on paper, I walk downrange and shoot at 12.5 yards. Adjust your sights accordingly.
If you want to bore site the gun, pull your upper and place it on sandbags. Place a target at 50 yards look down the barrel and align it with the target. Adjust your sights so they coincide with the 50 yard target. Double check that the barrel is pointed at the target. Verify by shooting the target and adjust accordingly.
I enjoy shooting and load my own. I really could care less if it took me 20 rounds to finesse my zero. I probably would shoot another 20 rounds to verify, but the only time it took me more that 10 rounds was when I had a finicky scope.
If you want to bore site the gun, pull your upper and place it on sandbags. Place a target at 50 yards look down the barrel and align it with the target. Adjust your sights so they coincide with the 50 yard target. Double check that the barrel is pointed at the target. Verify by shooting the target and adjust accordingly.
I enjoy shooting and load my own. I really could care less if it took me 20 rounds to finesse my zero. I probably would shoot another 20 rounds to verify, but the only time it took me more that 10 rounds was when I had a finicky scope.
Mistered
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THIS! - been doing it all my shooting life and not only ALWAYS on the paper but sometimes damn close to the center!
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did the redneck bore sight method last night... and to my absolute SHOCK.. My laser was DEAD on at roughly 50 yards.. LOL
I got an old camper out in my back yard with has a 3in X 3in sticker on the back door area....
I then used a baby high chair at my patio door (LOL), some tape (and news paper for a buffer between tape and rifle to keep sticky **** off it), anyway, I propped it pretty solid..
got it set to where that sticker was dead center looking down the bore.. Then clicked on my laser, looked down the bore again and dead center..
what are the chances of that with a recent bolt on scope/laser.. wow..
Cross hairs were VERY close as well.. Might have been about one inch (if that?) off center on the 3in x 3in sticker..
the distance, sticker size and bore/hole size etc.. all worked out perfectly, if I moved the riffle, even in the slightest! the outside corner of the sticker would go out of view.. when in just the right position the sticker perfectly took up the view.. (Four corners)
I just drew this to help describe.. Thanks again for all the replies, helpful suggestions etc!
I got an old camper out in my back yard with has a 3in X 3in sticker on the back door area....
I then used a baby high chair at my patio door (LOL), some tape (and news paper for a buffer between tape and rifle to keep sticky **** off it), anyway, I propped it pretty solid..
got it set to where that sticker was dead center looking down the bore.. Then clicked on my laser, looked down the bore again and dead center..
what are the chances of that with a recent bolt on scope/laser.. wow..
Cross hairs were VERY close as well.. Might have been about one inch (if that?) off center on the 3in x 3in sticker..
the distance, sticker size and bore/hole size etc.. all worked out perfectly, if I moved the riffle, even in the slightest! the outside corner of the sticker would go out of view.. when in just the right position the sticker perfectly took up the view.. (Four corners)
I just drew this to help describe.. Thanks again for all the replies, helpful suggestions etc!
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Kadonny
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Had a boresighter, cursed its existence as it never seemed to work. Changed to the Redneck Method and get on paper every time now. Redneck works.
Cocked & Locked
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I've had a laser bore sighter for several years now and love it. Got it from Midway...works great.
Bright day light is not a problem at 100 yards IF one uses the adhesive backed reflective "target" that usually comes with the laser. Just don't shoot that reflective aiming target or it will be ruined...it's just for setting the scope or sights. I applied mine to a thin piece of aluminum about 8" x 12"
Don't really need it on a bolt action rifle but it is awesome with lever rifles, pumps, and AR and AK style guns.
If mine broke today I would buy another ASAP.
I've read of folks forgetting and leaving one in the muzzle then shooting...not good.
Bright day light is not a problem at 100 yards IF one uses the adhesive backed reflective "target" that usually comes with the laser. Just don't shoot that reflective aiming target or it will be ruined...it's just for setting the scope or sights. I applied mine to a thin piece of aluminum about 8" x 12"
Don't really need it on a bolt action rifle but it is awesome with lever rifles, pumps, and AR and AK style guns.
If mine broke today I would buy another ASAP.
I've read of folks forgetting and leaving one in the muzzle then shooting...not good.
Once again you can't always look down the bore of a rifle. Not all rifles are AR's. He asked about bore sights. He didn't ask specifically about how they work with an AR. You can't do the redneck method with this one:
I grew up sighting every rifle the redneck way and with a semi-auto rifle that often meant trial and error just to get on paper. I actually learned to shoot something where you could see where your bullets were hitting even if they were missing by 3 feet. Picking the right water hole to try this is tricky but it can be done. You just want to make sure nothing is downrange no matter what. In that type of gun a bore sight is a big plus.
I grew up sighting every rifle the redneck way and with a semi-auto rifle that often meant trial and error just to get on paper. I actually learned to shoot something where you could see where your bullets were hitting even if they were missing by 3 feet. Picking the right water hole to try this is tricky but it can be done. You just want to make sure nothing is downrange no matter what. In that type of gun a bore sight is a big plus.
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